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05-31-2020 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
most the protesters are just going along for the ride

Mayor of Atlanta putting them in their place

oh many thats amazing. cant even make that up. like, I kinda knew it was coming but I still spit my coffee loling when she said "register to vote and show up at the polls". like, how can she even pretend to act like voting matters. she sold it well tho.

and wtf at the TI and Killer Mike part. who ****ing cares if they own half the city.
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05-31-2020 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
For ****'s sake. It's a jury trial. There is a always a chance, however small, that a jury will get it wrong. But that doesn't mean that people in this forum have to ignore what is on the video.
Curious, have you ever served on a jury? Been a plaintiff or defendant in a court room? If so you know that a good lawyer can be very persuasive and that jurors aren’t all that truthful when being empaneled.

The toxicology report has yet to come in on Floyd. Floyd was complaining that he couldn’t breathe before he was on the ground. Michael Baden is a pathologist Floyd’s family has hired to do an independent autopsy. I read somewhere that Baden stated that another officer pressing against Floyd’s chest while standing may have caused Floyd’s death. We’ll see what happens in the trial(s).
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05-31-2020 , 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Curious, have you ever served on a jury? Been a plaintiff or defendant in a court room? If so you know that a good lawyer can be very persuasive and that jurors aren’t all that truthful when being empaneled.

The toxicology report has yet to come in on Floyd. Floyd was complaining that he couldn’t breathe before he was on the ground. Michael Baden is a pathologist Floyd’s family has hired to do an independent autopsy. I read somewhere that Baden stated that another officer pressing against Floyd’s chest while standing may have caused Floyd’s death. We’ll see what happens in the trial(s).

So if a trained police officer kneels on a detained suspects neck knowing the suspect is having difficulty breathing, that makes him less liable for the suspects death ?

The things I learn itt.
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05-31-2020 , 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Willd
I don't know if he was the actual owner of any of the shops but it does seem like he was supposedly trying to protect a store. This was the statement from Dallas police a few hours ago:

The guys lucky they let him off with just a beating.

I feel for the shop owners but you can't beat a mob. Live to start up another business.
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05-31-2020 , 08:40 AM
Is it me, are most of these people looting/rioting white people?
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05-31-2020 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by well named
I don't know what the moderation policy ought to be on posting video of the riots here, but for now I'm going to ask that

a) Be mindful of sources on twitter and elsewhere. Links to extremist/white supremacist groups in particular will be removed. I'm only mentioning this because it's been a problem before

b) If you post something graphic, please include a warning.
If images of police roughing up protesters are allowed then everything else has to be shown really given the narrative of burning down a city is a "heated protest" and attempted flash lynchings are "peaceful protests".
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Posted earlier tonight on Unstuck:

chortle
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05-31-2020 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Escapologist
I think a big thing that people aren't talking about is Chauvin looks spaced out in the video like he's partly drunk or hungover or having some dementia or maybe running on only a few hours sleep.

Since he worked an extra job at a nightclub for 17 years maybe he got free drinks and was a barely functioning alcoholic cop? Too bad they probably didn't do toxicology tests on Chauvin immediately after the murder.
They should do a drug screening at least.
chauvins wife is filling divorce.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...files-divorce/
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05-31-2020 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Is it me, are most of these people looting/rioting white people?
These demonstrations attract a lot of lunatics and criminals who see it as a good opportunity to enrich themselves. Skincolor doesn't matter so much I think there.
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05-31-2020 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
These demonstrations attract a lot of lunatics and criminals who see it as a good opportunity to enrich themselves. Skincolor doesn't matter so much I think there.
Antifa bussed in from other areas.
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05-31-2020 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by neverbeclever
Well, u aint seen nothing yet!

Im not a doctor or anything related.
What happened is horrible, any way u slice it...left/right black/white.

But to me...and that might only be me...the guy could still speak/shout when he was ''suffocated to death''.

From a legal perspective...so to speak.

Police guy cant tell if hes going too far if guy still can talk/shout.

I cannot understand why he was being suppressed for 10 minutes...guess they had to wait for backup.

All im saying is basically...u cant talk if u cant breath.
Thats what the lawyer probably will take to the table.
Aren't you the Dutch trump supporter??

Let's try to strangle you and see if you can say something while I'm sneezing your neck.

You're an idiot

Complete idiot... I got strangeled once by an ex gf with 2 hands and she was strong stronger than most men. Let me tell you, you can talk whille being choked to death.

Plus nobody in the world is trained to control someone who is handcuffed by putting a knee on the neck between suspect and the road. He had 4 cops vs one to control him and already handcuffs on. What is it that you don't get..?

Again it shows how dumb u are. Not wanna insult you but did you go to special school? If so you shouldn't run your your mouth with idiotic statements concerning obvious hate crimes.

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05-31-2020 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Aren't you the Dutch trump supporter??

Let's try to strangle you and see if you can say something while I'm sneezing your neck.

You're an idiot

Complete idiot... I got strangeled once by an ex gf with 2 hands and she was strong stronger than most men. Let me tell you, you can talk whille being choked to death.

Plus nobody in the world is trained to control someone who is handcuffed by putting a knee on the neck between suspect and the road. He had 4 cops vs one to control him and already handcuffs on. What is it that you don't get..?

Again it shows how dumb u are. Not wanna insult you but did you go to special school? If so you shouldn't run your your mouth with idiotic statements concerning obvious hate crimes.
Its the cop's best major lifeline is what i was trying to say/suggest, thats all.
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05-31-2020 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
We need luckbox on the case



Doesn't look like a recent mugshot to me
I see what you see but idk. I definitely have my doubts about this story. It was fun to see someone mention 'independent autopsy' and then to google 'george floyd baden' and see that 86 year old Michael Baden is in fact the only pathologist who will ever work on any controversial cases. But if this really is a 'young Chauvin' or an image that has been doctored to make him appear younger, then it would fit with the theme that seems to always exist in events of this nature-- where they basically throw out bones for the conspiracy people in order to stoke conspiracy theories, knowing that for the general public they will be easily dismissed.

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05-31-2020 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by neverbeclever
Its the cop's best major lifeline is what i was trying to say/suggest, thats all.
WTF?? So now your intention is to defend an obvious killer?

Lifeline? It was obvious to me not to post in your thread because it was dumb. You defending trump.

But now you crossed the line my friend!!
Enough is enough! Defending a racist killer wtf is the matter with you?
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05-31-2020 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I see what you see but idk. I definitely have my doubts about this story. It was fun to see someone mention 'independent autopsy' and then to google 'george floyd baden' and see that 86 year old Michael Baden is in fact the only pathologist who will ever work on any controversial cases. But if this really is a 'young Chauvin' or am image that has been doctored to make him appear younger, then it would fit with the theme that seems to always exist in events of this nature-- where they basically throw out bones for the conspiracy people in order to stoke conspiracy theories, knowing that for the general public they will be easily dismissed.
His wife is from laos by the way. So she is asian. And she filed for divorce now that he is in jail.

I am guessing he would get problems from all latino and black gangs while in jail but I know that cops are being held in special areas.
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05-31-2020 , 10:18 AM
Why are we not talking about the fact that these guys worked together for the last year... Media is claiming opposing shits but what does that even matter. I work in a department with 75 people and I know everyone's name and face regardless of wether we work the same shift.

There is more to this story... Guys work together, suspicious out of towers inciting violence (umbrella man), pallets or bricks left strategically in the streets. This thing stinks to high heaven and I'm suprised with the amount of intelligence on this forum that these issues aren't being investigated with greater force.
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05-31-2020 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by rileymadison2345
Why are we not talking about the fact that these guys worked together for the last year... Media is claiming opposing shits but what does that even matter. I work in a department with 75 people and I know everyone's name and face regardless of wether we work the same shift.

There is more to this story... Guys work together, suspicious out of towers inciting violence (umbrella man), pallets or bricks left strategically in the streets. This thing stinks to high heaven and I'm suprised with the amount of intelligence on this forum that these issues aren't being investigated with greater force.
We aren't really allowed to conspiracy theoreize too too much here especially when it comes to questioning events of this nature. You can hint at it a little but don't write multiple paragraphs.
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05-31-2020 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by rileymadison2345
I work in a department with 75 people and I know everyone's name and face regardless of whether we work the same shift.


I call bullshit.
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05-31-2020 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Curious, have you ever served on a jury? Been a plaintiff or defendant in a court room? If so you know that a good lawyer can be very persuasive and that jurors aren’t all that truthful when being empaneled.

The toxicology report has yet to come in on Floyd. Floyd was complaining that he couldn’t breathe before he was on the ground. Michael Baden is a pathologist Floyd’s family has hired to do an independent autopsy. I read somewhere that Baden stated that another officer pressing against Floyd’s chest while standing may have caused Floyd’s death. We’ll see what happens in the trial(s).
I'm a lawyer.
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05-31-2020 , 10:46 AM
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I call bullshit.
He obviously meant he knows 74.999 people in his department.
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05-31-2020 , 10:54 AM
On a more boring note, choke-holds and applying pressure to windpipes in general should be removed from law enforcement procedures. It requires a ton of training to use correctly (and repeated training to keep that skill intact) and probably even more training to know when to apply it.

a) Even if you manage to do that, it is time and effort which would be better spent elsewhere.
b) Departments largely don't have the time and effort to do that.

It should be regulated at nation-wide levels, to ensure that local police departments don't keep re-inventing a wheel that is dangerous and complicated.

It's perhaps sad that the following sentence is going to sound idealistic and naive, given the context of this discussion: It is one of law enforcement's duties to keep civilians as safe as possible during an arrest. Relying on choke-holds makes this much harder.
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05-31-2020 , 11:01 AM
So it's only domestic terrorism when the victims of these scumbag fascists retaliate?

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“When someone targets a police officer or a police station with an intention to do harm and intimidate — that is an act of domestic terrorism,” Department of Homeland Security Acting Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli said at a Washington, D.C., news conference on Saturday.
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...uries/2299729/
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05-31-2020 , 11:17 AM
^^^ On that note, the Chapo guys had me laughing about the increases in police budgets - despite historically low crime rates - all going towards plus size tactical gear.
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05-31-2020 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Is it me, are most of these people looting/rioting white people?
It seems pretty fishy to me. The liquor store they broke into and looted all of the first few people that came out were fit well outfitted and disguised white men, and you've got a ton of video of protestors being like wtf at others.

Seems pretty clear that there are some out there trying to escalate the violence and mayhem, whether they're cia cops antifa or kkk idk.

It's a weird spot because you can make good economic cases for the value of riots and can generally excuse a lot of destructive behavior during it but outside agitators is something to pay attention to.
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05-31-2020 , 11:25 AM
Beyond naive to think that there aren't any agent provocateurs involved. I was a 16 y/o kid w/o much political understanding in the middle of "the battle in Seattle" and even i could spot these stiffs.
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05-31-2020 , 11:27 AM
I think it can be reasonably argued that Chauvin didn't intend to kill him and that the pressure on the neck wasn't the cause of death.

Not sure how that really changes anything though, would then make 3 officers responsible for the death plus the officer who just watched and did nothing.

Think you guys were being too hard on smudger, seems less dumb and trolly more nitty and aspy, and while his take may still be wrong he does note that people are justifiably going to go nuts if he's acquitted.
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