Was the medical examiner who determined cause of death not strangulation elected? Or appointed? Do we think he made up his report?

shut the **** up

Yeah. Facts don't matter anymore.

Can't prove murder if he didn't die from what they said he died from!

lol at going for the worst take on this forum since its been stromfront lite. thats a pretty ****ing high bar..

Great speech and all, but he's a big reason all this happened to begin with.

(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

To make a murder charge stick, must prove he died from the police officers actions. The Medical Examiner gives a different story from the video.

Killer Mike made the correct point that that doesn't really matter, local elections do

You've become a cliche of a cliche. It's sort of impressive

ya. no. it doesnt.

even the most biased reading of the report says that his hypertension COMBINED WITH the officers actions caused his death. seriously the most biased article i could find from the deplorable fake news washington examiner - "The report says the underlying health conditions, combined with Chauvin's restraint .... , likely contributed to his death."

you don't get a free pass on murder because a dude has a heart attack while you are torturing him.

The Medical Examiner report does not state he died from any of this. It's a weak link. maybe he had an independent heart attack. Maybe the stress of being arrested caused a heart attack. Gives room for massive reasonable doubt. Let the trial play out. let all the evidence come out. Pro and con for this officer. The video is terrible, no question.

Is this standard proceedure? 3 cops just watching. If not, why aren't they arrested already? Let the facts play out.

I would never bet on somethin so horrible, but if you guys do, it's 50% he is acquitted if this goes to trial on murder.

FED will add hate crimes and civil rights violations I am sure, to make sure he goes away for a long time.

If you're held on the ground like that for 9 minutes you are going to run out of oxygen and die. The police report states he was being held in an inherently dangerous position. Its certainly plausible he didn't die from traumatic asphyxiation but if your chest can't expand to breathe in oxygen you are going to run out of air and die. You might even shout you can't breathe and scream out for your dead mother before you do.

makes sense what you say, but not what the medical examiners report said.

Were their bruises on his neck? They don't talk about that.

Was he holding him down with his knee, or causing damage to him while he was holding him down?

Were there even bruises on Floyd's neck?

we've already seen a couple ads after the 'you ain't black' fiasco but this election is about to become a referendum on Biden vs crime. Expect to see the "racial jungle" ad over and over and over. His lying about Nelson Mandela. None of the attacks on Trump wrt criminal justice or racism will hit in the slightest.

Dems equity in the general would definitely improve if Biden bowed out and was replaced by Bernie. Then we get to see those sweet photos of him marching in the Civil Rights movement.

Not true, the medical report doesn't even touch that possibility. The medical report deems he didn't die from strangulation or traumatic asphyxiation

Smudger2408 seems like he supports the white supremacist cop. Where are the mods? Why is he still allowed to post here?

Smudger might be the dumbest person in America.

I’ve never seen someone disregard video evidence so hardcore.

Like, yeah, the video is bad, but it doesn’t show the facts! Like, I know what you guys saw, but the examination by the medical examiner says the video was faked. Fake news, guys! In reality, George just laid on the ground rolling around in pain from a heart attack. The police watched, and they wanted to do something, but they aren’t medical personnel so they couldn’t help. Unfortunately, the EMS arrived too late. They really wanted to help! They were the best EMS around, especially the greatest at the scene! But they just couldn’t fix the situation. It’s tragic. A great tragedy. An overbearing tragedy that we wish we could have avoided.

But yeah, the video is there, but if you weren’t there and you aren’t doing the examination, then you really just don’t know the facts.

Let’s just let the court decide. Video? What video?

There were 3 officers holding him in a position where he couldn't fully expand his chest to breathe in oxygen, for 9 minutes. The neck is not necessarily the issue here

The Medical Examiner had a different fact pattern than the video shows. Sorry, it does. This is a rush to judgement without facts.

what do you mean by "all this"? Please elaborate.

Would George be dead if the officer didn’t knee him in the neck for an extended period of time?

the tale of smudger: when trying to play the kelhus goes wrong..


the medical examiners reports absolutely supports the charge of murder 3. without a doubt. it doesn't "have a different fact pattern", it isnt a "rush to judgement without facts" it states that the aggressive actions by the officer led to Floyds death.

Great point! I am not forensic expert, guessing you aren't either.

The forensic experts first need to agree on cause of death. At this point, I see nothing in cause of death that leads to a conclusion of beyond a reasonable doubt that these officers killed him.

What’s the holdup for the other officers not getting charged yet? Are they trying to figure out what to charge each of them? What are the chances they don’t get charged with anything?