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08-07-2020 , 03:26 PM
It isn't super surprising because the media has done so much gaslighting and been so reticent to say what actually happened, but there appears to be some disconnect about what actually happened. Anyways, according to Wikipedia,

On the evening of Memorial Day, May 25, 2020, Floyd purchased cigarettes at Cup Foods, a grocery store at the intersection of East 38th Street and Chicago Avenue in the Powderhorn Park neighborhood of Minneapolis. A store employee believed Floyd had paid with a counterfeit $20 bill.[7][11]

Just before 8:00 pm, two Cup Foods employees left the store and crossed the street to an SUV parked in front of a restaurant; Floyd was in the driver's seat and two other adults were in the vehicle.[7]:1:25[11]:1:33[43] The employees demanded that Floyd return the cigarettes, and he refused.[11]:1:43[1] The interaction was filmed by the restaurant's security camera.[7]:0:49[11]:1:24[44][note 2] At 8:01, a store employee called police to report that Floyd had passed "fake bills" and was "awfully drunk" and "not in control of himself".[7]:1:33[11]:1:51[note 3]


-Note 3 is the following which I think is relevant:

The store owner said: "Most of the times when patrons give us a counterfeit bill they don't even know its fake so when the police are called there is no crime being committed just want to know where it came from and that's usually what takes place."

--Of course when police show up Floyd is sitting in the front seat of his car clearly compromised by substances, so at that point police actually have an obligation to escalate beyond just getting Floyd's information. The same thing happened in the Atlanta Wendy's drive thru case. If we want to change laws so it is legal to sit in the front seat of your car ****ed up as long as you aren't driving than that is fine, but my understanding is the DWI/DUI laws as written indicate if officers believed Floyd was under the influence they were obligated to act.
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08-07-2020 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Just wanted to say this made me laugh nice and hard. I tried to laugh for 8:46 but only made it 2:03. 8:46 is a really long time to laugh, as it is for a number of other things, if I had to guess.

Thanks for the laugh, it was a power punch to the funny bone.
Erm, is this sarcasm to indicate you felt the joke was inappropriate?
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08-07-2020 , 04:16 PM
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Madalena McNeil is accused of buying red paint before a protest. Under aggressive new criminal charges, it could mean she spends the rest of her life in prison.

McNeil, 28, was among four people charged Tuesday for their alleged actions at a July Salt Lake City, Utah, protest over a district attorney’s decision that the fatal police shooting of a young man was justified. Protesters allegedly splashed red paint on the DA’s office, broke windows, and hung signs calling for justice for the slain man.

But instead of merely charging the protesters with vandalism or even rioting, that same DA used a charging enhancement to claim they operated as a gang. Under the new charges, the demonstrators face up to life in prison. It’s the latest in a pattern of harsh measures that ratchet up potential penalties by treating protesters like a criminal conspiracy.
I would guess the enhanced charges won't stick, but Republicans are creative when intending to use violence against people.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/utah-w...paint?ref=home
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08-07-2020 , 04:20 PM
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I would guess the enhanced charges won't stick, but Republicans are creative when it comes to using violence against people.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/utah-w...paint?ref=home
Four people who retweeted a tweet attempting to identify a police officer are being charged with felonies

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When Kevin Alfaro noticed a masked police officer befriending a counterprotester who had threatened him at a Black Lives Matter demonstration in Nutley, N.J., on June 19, he whipped out his phone and took a picture.

Then he tweeted: “If anyone knows who this b---- is throw his info under this tweet.”

Now, Alfaro and four others who retweeted the post have been charged with cyber harassment, a fourth-degree felony that carries up to 18 months of incarceration and a $10,000 fine.
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08-07-2020 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
wet work... You don't know anything about Ireland. So don't talk about it.
lol. i dont think this is a place we want to go around this forum...
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08-07-2020 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
wet work... You don't know anything about Ireland. So don't talk about it.
Must've struck a nerve I guess I notice you didn't take the opportunity to fill us in on the 'real' truth.
I've certainly read enough Irish history lol from the druids forward--do I need to go back further? or a little forward?
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08-07-2020 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
Why can't you think Chauvin is horrible AND criticize the protests?


If the manner in which free citizens protest bothers you more than the police abuse they're protesting you're likely a fascist but there's always that one exception so be my guest.
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08-07-2020 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
-Note 3 is the following which I think is relevant:

The store owner said: "Most of the times when patrons give us a counterfeit bill they don't even know its fake so when the police are called there is no crime being committed just want to know where it came from and that's usually what takes place."

--Of course when police show up Floyd is sitting in the front seat of his car clearly compromised by substances, so at that point police actually have an obligation to escalate beyond just getting Floyd's information.
So the police had an obligation to kneel on Floyd's neck until he was dead ?

You're right. That was relevant.
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08-07-2020 , 07:56 PM
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08-07-2020 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
I would guess the enhanced charges won't stick, but Republicans are creative when intending to use violence against people.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/utah-w...paint?ref=home
lol at any conservatives that whine and cry about how the Soviet Union treated people.
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08-07-2020 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
...Because Chauvin viewed the victim as less than human, it was easy to treat him with total disregard to the circumstance and consequence. This is the core of the problem...
Yup that is everything.

When you see the police order a black mother with her children to the ground and bind them and leave them laying on hot pavement that is because they do not relate to them as equal humans.


As outraged as the race excuses will bet (and demand i prove it would not happen) that would NEVER happen to suburban Sally, a middle aged white mother, and her white kids.

And it should not. The outrage would be justified.

It is a complete failure in police training when cops who outnumber a mother and her kids, feel they cannot control the situation or at risk of the mother and kids, whom they could (and should) have already checked for weapons before handcuffing them and putting them on the ground, are suddenly going to get violent and overwhelm the cops and thus they need to take this precaution.


This comes from the dehumanization, and fear, too many cops carry around.
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08-07-2020 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
lol at any conservatives that whine and cry about how the Soviet Union treated people.
Are you familiar with the "Gate Test?"
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08-07-2020 , 10:53 PM
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Are you familiar with the "Gate Test?"
Where do you rank Communism and Nazism on the evil ideology scale of 1-100?
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08-07-2020 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
Where do you rank Communism and Nazism on the evil ideology scale of 1-100?
90 to 100.
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08-08-2020 , 01:30 AM
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Louisiana court upholds black man's life sentence for trying to steal hedge clippers
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Bryant, 62, received the life sentence under Louisiana’s habitual offender law, which allows a person’s sentence to increase based on their criminal history.

Before Bryant’s 1997 arrest, he was convicted for attempted armed robbery in 1979, his only violent conviction. He was sentenced to 10 years hard labor for the crime. His other previous charges were for possession of stolen things in 1987, attempted check forgery in 1989 and simple burglary in 1992.
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In Johnson’s dissent, the justice wrote that all of Bryant’s crimes were for stealing something. “It is cruel and unusual to impose a sentence of life in prison at hard labor for the criminal behavior which is most often caused by poverty or addiction,” she wrote.

The 23 years Bryant has served in prison since the 1997 has cost Louisiana taxpayers more than $518,000, Johnson noted. “If he lives another 20 years, Louisiana taxpayers will have paid almost one million dollars to punish Mr Bryant for his failed effort to steal a set of hedge clippers,” she wrote.

Her dissent then explained that after the era of Reconstruction, which followed the civil war, southern states implemented laws which gave newly emancipated African American citizens extreme punishment for petty crimes. In some places, these were known as “pig laws”, and they were “largely designed to re-enslave African Americans”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...hedge-clippers
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08-08-2020 , 03:49 AM
I know Kelhaus and the rest of the Andy Ngo fan club are going to be up in arms over this:

A journalist guys. A JOURNALIST!
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08-08-2020 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
90 to 100.
anyone that thinks Americans arent brainwashed needs to read this post.
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08-08-2020 , 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
anyone that thinks Americans arent brainwashed needs to read this post.
All humans are brainwashed. It's in their nature.

It's how we survive.
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08-08-2020 , 08:24 AM
Quickly Floyd’s fentanyl level was 11 nanograms per milliliter.

Tyler Skaggs an Angels pitcher who died last year from a fentanyl OD had a level of 3.8 nanos.

Tyler Skaggs Tragedy

More on this later but no it is not attacking Floyd. Rather it is about the specter of raising reasonable doubt at a trial. Chauvin doesn’t have to prove he is innocent.
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08-08-2020 , 08:43 AM
Floyd didnt ****ing OD. apparently neither did Skaggs, he choked on his vomit.

and guess what, people build tolerances to opiods/opiates. what kills most people is a normal amount for an addict.

ok just clicked the link. alcohol potentiates opiates so it takes a lot less to die. also, it seems that Skaggs didnt OD rather he choked on his vomit.

so really I dont think there is any comparison in the cases and its only misinformation.
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08-08-2020 , 08:47 AM
misinformation

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Blood tests showed 3.8 nanograms per milliliter of fentanyl in Skaggs’ system, which experts said is a significant amount but not outrageously high. Autopsy blood tests have shown nanograms per millileter levels of over 100.
and Skaggs had more than Fent in his system

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Tests showed 38 nanograms per milliliter of the prescription-strength pain killer oxycodone,
seriously, thats some really poor framing.
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08-08-2020 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Quickly Floyd’s fentanyl level was 11 nanograms per milliliter.

Tyler Skaggs an Angels pitcher who died last year from a fentanyl OD had a level of 3.8 nanos.

Tyler Skaggs Tragedy

More on this later but no it is not attacking Floyd. Rather it is about the specter of raising reasonable doubt at a trial. Chauvin doesn’t have to prove he is innocent.
All conservatives know that the best technique to administer to an overdosing patient is a neck kneel.

Usually 8-10 minutes does the trick.
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08-08-2020 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
anyone that thinks Americans arent brainwashed needs to read this post.
I agree. Many Americans who haven't actually suffered living under a communist regime have been brainwashed to believe that communism is not evil.
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08-08-2020 , 11:10 AM
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I agree. Many Americans who haven't actually suffered living under a communist regime have been brainwashed to believe that communism is not evil.
What if I told you that authoritarianism was evil, but communism (although not how it was practiced by noted Communist authoritarian dictators in the 20th century) was literally in the Bible?
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08-08-2020 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
I agree. Many Americans who haven't actually suffered living under a communist regime have been brainwashed to believe that communism is not evil.
Is communism worse than nazism?
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