I respectfully disagree. They treated Tony Timpa in the same manner and then made jokes over his death and Timpa was white. One of the cops tried to administer CPR to GF and stated Chauvin shouldn't be doing this, which belies the racism claim. Footage was earlier posted in this forum of black cops brutalizing black suspects.
Re actual shootings, they treated Daniel Shaver even more harshly than Rayshard Brooks as Shaver didn't fire a taser, he reached behind his back which was reason enough for the police to shoot him and Shaver was White. Dylan Noble who was also white was shot for approaching the police, same as Michael Brown who was black. Both Timpa and Floyd's death were due to excessive police force and I hope Chauvin is convicted. I think those involved in Timpa's death should have been charged too. But I don't think Floyd's murder was due to race and everything to do with bad police behaviour.

Yet the likes of wookie simply hand waves conflicting data away with the blue excuse whilenot addressing how many POC have made police chief to begin with despite all this systemic racism, which nonetheless has mostly minority cops with the LAPD for example. These people are only interested in narratives which they get from watching the likes of the Daily Show instead of critically examining the data objectively.American MSM are purely race baiting, with their "White cop on black suspect" headlines re Chauvin, straight away going for the juicy racial clickbait angle. It's a crock imv and very irresponsible and immoral behaviour on their part.

Re dodgy bills, it was handled wrongly from the start. The clerk didn't realise until after the transaction that the bill may have been fake and states GF refused to give him back the purchased cigs and change and seemed under the influence. That's why the cops were called. Clerk should have checked bill straight away that's SOP when I used to work front office in Hospitality. I occasionally received dodgy bills myself, I never checked them later. So again was handled wrong from the start.

remember when you argued for weeks that Arbury killers werent racist?

Yes, I know you are against police abuse of power.

But in general conservatives are too quick to believe the police narratives and let them off at the first excuse.

I mean, read this thread and you'll see people saying that since Floyd was high the charge won't stick. That's illogical and a rational person wouldn't think that way, but any excuse will do when it's an authority figure.

You don't think conservatives are more likely to blindly follow authority figures than progressives ?

This is Portland riots night 70 and still going strong. Look. All the protesters are white (and often privileged and wealth). Many of the police officers are black, brown and often women and coming from very humble beginnings.

The optics of this movement in Portland are horrible. Which is probably one of the main reasons the liberal MSM has decided to more or less pretend it isn't happening at all.

Could you imagine if we were on Day 70 of an uprising in the South that was mostly privileged whites attacking black and Hispanic police officers night after night after night. The media would be in an absolute frenzy. The entire wokesphere would be in perpetual outrage.

If only these privileged white kids could be more like the poor uneducated white kids and not get upset that a black guy was murdered on a live stream.

Citation needed

Citation needed.

Citation needed.

Hey Mickey.

You requested 'sources' and i provided them (again below here).

Hope to see you reply as I often say it is a waste of time to dig up citations and sources for certain people as they will just ignore them and just repeat the same claims later, as if they were never posted, if they do not like what they say.

Bumping for you to reply.

Obviously false, as long as you don't cherrypick your pictures.



lol, you just made this up.
The next time you post a picture of a female officer on the riot line will be the first.

Another something you just imagined.
The ones you invented, sure.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/02/us/po...sts/index.html
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news...ts/3306738001/


LOL

You've not shown a single instance of officers getting attacked, other than, like lasers shined at them and umbrellas waved in their general direction.

In your imagination.

Is this your way of suggesting that the white people are being traitors to their race and this issue would get almost no traction if only the white people would stay in their lane?

As the latter is probably true. When It is solely indigenous or any 'other' raising abuse issues, it is far less likely to resonate with those in charge, if they do not see broad buy in across demographic lines.

Dude, the Feds etc have been fighting what amounts to a hot drug war in NorthernCA for ~40yrs and it hardly ever makes the news. Basically every cannabis 'crime' is a misdemeanor(minus kids involved) in CA now and they're still at it. When has what's going on in Oregon at all ever really been in the larger public's mind? Almost never that's when lol. Something like probably at least 80% of the country couldn't point to Portland or Eugene with no hints on a map if their life depended on it. How many people do you think wake up and say gee I wonder what's happening in Oregon today lol? 9? And the amount of people involved is like what? A medium sized music venue? The public just doesn't really care to hear about it constantly--it's really not a big enough story to sustain prolonged attention.

i did use a bunch of facts about the case in the ahmaud arbery thread against you, i understand that can be hard.

and yes, i do have a thing against forced confessions from minors/near minors being used as "evidence".

you also keep bringing up tony timpa as some kind of gotcha, like we dont already agree that Police treatment of mentally ill individuals is also ****ing terrible, and worthy of them losing funding. and that the officers obviously should have been fired and prosecuted in his death. you also aren't in here betraying your Gotcha attempt by yelling that he died partly of a cocaine induced heart attack like the crew is now trying to do to George Floyd..

Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds View Post
Yes, I know you are against police abuse of power.

But in general conservatives are too quick to believe the police narratives and let them off at the first excuse.
Citation needed


Strong majorities of Republicans believe that police only use deadly force when necessary (80%), are impartial (78%) and courteous (74%), and are held accountable for their actions (76%). This stands in contrast to Democrats, among whom a majority believe police are too quick to use lethal force (63%), fail to be impartial (60%), and aren’t held accountable (59%). Race can’t explain this pattern: It persists among white Republicans and white Democrats as well.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...lumn/97827888/




Quote:
I mean, read this thread and you'll see people saying that since Floyd was high the charge won't stick. That's illogical and a rational person wouldn't think that way, but any excuse will do when it's an authority figure.
Citation needed.

That would be the thread you're trying to read.


Quote:
You don't think conservatives are more likely to blindly follow authority figures than progressives ?
Citation needed.

Jost’s research also suggests that a preference for authoritarian leadership styles is associated with Republicans—and with support for Trump in particular. Since at least the 1960s, research has shown that voters who prefer authoritarian styles are more likely to favor Republican presidential candidates, and 2016 was no different. But Jost and his colleagues wondered how that preference might describe voters who favored Trump over other Republican primary candidates.



They found that Trump supporters scored higher than other Republican supporters on two particular facets of authoritarianism: authoritarian aggression and group-based dominance (that is, a preference for group-based social hierarchies). These voters were more likely to support statements asserting that the country needs more law and order and that some groups are naturally inferior to others (Womick, J., et al., Social Psychology and Perso

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...lumn/97827888/

While I will agree with you all that property damage in some cases (broken windows, graffiti, etc) isn't as bad as bad reviews and booking reservations then not showing, but property damage that BLM/rioters have done over the last month or so can also be worse (burning buildings, etc).

Actually the 3rd option (the one that is overwhelmingly selected, is hire the white person regardless if they are the most qualified.

This isn’t hard. You act like these businesses are doing the work to only hire the best candidates for retail level jobs. Which because they seriously under hire people of color, implies people of color are less qualified for these jobs which is nonsense.

So yeah if a quota to hire people of color is needed to offset hundreds of years of hiring whites regardless of qualifications that is okay. Especially since they are only asking for an actual representation of the population. Of course if you think people of color are not as qualified to do entry level retail work you might disagree.

If being high and irrational warranted a death sentence, millions of Trump supporters would be in grave peril.

I think anyone who was not mentally incapacitated would know the probability of permanent harm or death from kneeling on someone’s neck is huge, even from a relatively short period of time. Increasing that time five fold while people nearby tell you you are killing him and he keeps saying he can’t breath....

Not sure what other intent could be ascribed to Chauvin’s actions other than murder, but I am interested to see those who saw a different video think his intent was kneeling on his neck for almost nine minutes.

Seems if there is only a single reasonable path to intent that it would make it fairly easy to prove in a court. But again I am open to hear what other possible intent Chauvin had. Perhaps break it down by minute. What was his intent at minute 1? Minute 2? Minute 5? Minute 8? What was his intent at minute eight (several minutes after he already murdered the victim) was he just resting?

“If you don’t comply we will murder you black dude!”

I guess they did give him a chance. RIP George Floyd. He wouldn’t get in the back of a police car.

Don’t point out CV’s ignorance of America. “IT’S NOT FAIRRRRR” no matter how extreme it is.

What about the damage done by right wing provocateurs who committed all kinds of seriously damaging acts under the cover of peaceful protesting?

No I didn't.

Can we cut out the extraneous personal attacks ITT please, thanks.

No you didn't you made a bunch of faalse claims about me, spot the diff? You then refused to provide the verbatim quotes to support your false claims.

Another false claim by you they weren't forced confessions, nor did any of the 5 confess to rape they blamed each other instead. Nor did annoy court establish the confessions as forced. Nor where the mainly minority member jury overtly impressed with the confessions anyway, they were swayed by the forensic evidence. You aren't aware of the facts of this case

Nope, not a gotcha, Timpa was treated just the same as Floyd, worse in fact as the cops didn't mock George Floyd after his death, like they did Timpa. That belies the racism narrative. I already said itt I consider Floyd's death murder, and am not interested what others said about cocaine.


Nothing you've said in your last post is true.

I, for one, would quite like a CP5 thread. There are a bunch of posts at the end of this thread (starting around #507, but a few before) which could be merged into it as well:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...2/index21.html

i dont think you understand at all what the "racism narrative" is.. you seem to think that a death is only racist if someone is killed SPECIFICALLY because they are black. everyone has been explaining this to you ad nauseam since your first post in this forum. no one is arguing that chauvin intentionally killed floyd because he was black, or that the georgia rednecks decided to kill ahmaud arbery because he was black.

the argument is that police in particular are simply indifferent to the killing of african americans. it's written off as business as usual, suspect made furtive movements, suspect was a "druggie", 12 yr old suspect made the trained and armed officers "fear for my life", suspect had unrelated previous interaction with law enforcement so he must have had it coming. and then the officers receive a paid two week vacation prize and go back to work perpetuating the cycle.

or that some rednecks in georgia saw an african american guy and stereotyped him as a thief and tried to run him down with their car and illegally detain him with no evidence.


you keep insisting on arguing against a point that no one is making, declaring victory, and then telling everyone else that their statements are lies ..

it makes you look ridiculous


eta- and sure if it makes you feel like you won, i dont think police gaf about any civilian lives tbh. they have developed a mentality that its "us vs them", they are literally the largest Gang in the united states, and they act like it.

You seem to think anything white on black is automatic racism and again I'm not interested in your false narrative or false claims about the CP5 confessions or false claims in general.