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Originally Posted by washoe
if your negative choices lead to negative results, you bear responsibility. that's literally the definition of taking responsibility.
why can't that be applied here to an extend?
No its not, its an interpretation. Its quite deterministic and I don't like it.
For example; If I make a choice to drive to work, and someone crashes in to me because they are drunk driving.
By your definition, I've made a choice, with a risk, and thats led to a negative result. You'd say I should take responsibility. What does that mean for you?
For me,
when I take responsibility, or, bear responsibility for me actions, I should shoulder a portion of the blame. I should be liable for some of the reparations required. I should shoulder some of the moral responsibility, I should be considered "in the wrong". This comes from my definition of personal responsibility, below.
I don't think I should take or bear any responsibility for that crash I use in my example. I shouldn't have to pay for any reparations- e.g. paying for fixing the car for the other driver, hospital bills for either of us etc.. I've also done nothing morally wrong. There is no taking of responsibility for me. For you, by your definition you should be.
Regardless, for me, taking responsibility comes after a definition of personal responsibility, which you've still evaded answering.
Personal responsibility, for me, is where you take accountability for your actions and own them. If I make an action, that action and the decision is mine, caused by me. I've done it, and, with knowledge of any negative or positive consequences, and, if things go well or badly, I should take on the negative or positive impacts of that action.
This is what I think the common definition of personal responsibility, and taking responsibility is. If your action directly leads to the result, its on you.
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So with relation to this- Andrew Tate said in his initial tweets, by exact quote:
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Next point, if you put yourself in a position to be raped, you must bare some responsibility. I'm not saying it's OK you got raped
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If I left a million dollars outside my front door – when it got stolen people would say. “Why was it there? Irresponsible
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Take some personal responsibility. This zero blame game is damaging to the female cause as a whole. Protect yourselves.
He is saying that when a woman is raped, and, you've put yourself in that position, its on you. He explained in your video that this is if she's walking home from a club and other such things.
The implication of
zero blame game is that he's saying its the person who got raped fault, she is morally at wrong for walking home, and, must shoulder some of the reparations (for example; paying for her own medical bills or whatever. this bit is me imagining things.)
This is nonsense, and, offensive, and, victim blaming.
A person walking home is at zero fault if they get raped. It is entirely the fault of the person who did the rape. Yes, you are more likely to get raped if you are walking home alone, and, yes, good advice is you protect yourself. But that doesn't change who's at fault.
By saying its the person who got rapeds fault you are absolving responsibility from the rapist. you are laying the rape and the person who got rapeds door. No decision they made imperilled the person who raped them to do it. That was entirely the decision of the rapist, just like the drunk driver was in the first example.
Believing the person who got raped is to blame, was irresponsible, and, should shoulder fault, is awful and an indictment of him as a terrible person.
