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10-30-2019 , 11:37 AM
Elites are running a psy-op- just like you theorized!
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10-30-2019 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Elites are running a psy-op- just like you theorized!
No. No trolling. Tell me if you think the chance he was murdered went up please.
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10-30-2019 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
TMZ with some new information

Off to consult my anatomy book. They've been saying there were "other bones" but now we learn that the mystery bones were actually not bones.
And fwiw I can't find any other articles referencing his thyroid cartilage or this TMZ story but they claim to have an exclusive and not for the first time so throw them into the DM, NY Post mix.
TMZ story on broken thyroid cartilage was from August 18th.
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10-30-2019 , 11:46 AM
^^ inner conflict between the voices?
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10-30-2019 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
^^ inner conflict between the voices?
Elaborate?
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10-30-2019 , 12:35 PM
I get it now: a counter narrative partial autopsy report to allege murder to keep cycling with the partial narrative autopsy report of suicide. What ingenious proof to show someone is alive! Damn those elites are so elite!
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10-30-2019 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
No. No trolling. Tell me if you think the chance he was murdered went up please.
JJJ,
Do you think his chance of being murdered has gone up? Like this thread isn't all just about my views so when news breaks you shouldn't be allowed to just come here and troll.
Offer an opinion or gtfo.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 10-30-2019 at 12:42 PM.
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10-30-2019 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
JJJ,
Do you think his chance of being murdered has gone up? Like this thread isn't all just about my views so when news breaks you shouldn't be allowed to just come here and troll.
Offer an opinion or gtfo.
I am on board with your theory, no murder if the corpse is walking around! GTFO with this murder suicide theory!
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10-30-2019 , 01:10 PM

If you want to know what Trolly ever thinks you have to go to Unstuck but that's fine. Hobbes' take on Baden also super appropriate and fits my idea well. "Never met a case he couldn't make controversial"
But I'll point out again that there isn't any new information that is being divulged here afaict. TMZ had the exclusive on the thyroid cartilage, and we already knew Baden supposedly observed the autopsy and that the lawyers were challenging the autopsy result.
The only new thing is Baden making his first public anything.
https://youtu.be/LxYstvg3SaE

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 10-30-2019 at 01:27 PM.
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10-30-2019 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
If you want to know what Trolly ever thinks you have to go to Unstuck but that's fine.
lol, you’re one of the most shamelessly dishonest people I’ve ever seen.
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10-30-2019 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
lol, you’re one of the most shamelessly dishonest people I’ve ever seen.
K. So are you.
Sounds like projection btw.
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10-30-2019 , 01:48 PM

During that Baden segment--which everyone should watch--they froze the screen hard on this shot with this view of his ear. Which would seem to look different than in other places.

Although apparently the "live Epstein" ear in that tweet was actually his right ear that was flipped?
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10-30-2019 , 01:53 PM
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Because "Baden, Baden, ear photo, lawyers bad, Q.E.D." isn't a real explanation.
Or is it?
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10-30-2019 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
We haven't even talked about "celebrity pathologist" Michael Baden in this thread. I'm learning about him too and I should probably already know--but the guy headed the forensic pathology panel for the house committee that investigated Kennedy. And that isn't the first shady death he's been involved with although I suppose for a pathologist that's begging the question. It does make me want to look into Aaron Hernandez though.
But Baden was supposedly hired by the Epstein family to observe the autopsy. Guy is like 85 but they go with him? It's not proof of anything but it's another piece of the puzzle.
It should be pretty difficult for someone to not watch that 10 minute Baden segment, synthesize that with everything I've said, and not come to the conclusion that I'm 100% correct about what is going on here, fwiw.
That "the media is pushing the conspiracy" is absolutely true. And it isn't even all media--they have all helped a little but it is specifically Rupert Murdoch with the NY Post/Fox and a handful of others like the Daily Mail. With WaPo only breaking news when it was "serious news" like the report on the autopsy findings.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 10-30-2019 at 02:03 PM.
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10-30-2019 , 01:58 PM
I would be interested to ask Michael Baden the following question.

Assume that:

Prisoner A is found dead in his jail cell.

For a person of Prisoner A's age and physiology, Person A's injuries occur in (i) 100% of strangulations; (ii) 15% of suicides by hanging; and (iii) 0% of deaths by other causes.

Is it possible that the true odds that Prisoner A died by strangulation are less than <1%?
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10-30-2019 , 01:58 PM
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Or is it?
Of course not.
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10-30-2019 , 02:36 PM
Did you watch the segment? Baden discusses a lot more than just autopsy stuff. He talks about the sleeping guards and malfunctioning cameras and other fishy aspects of the "official narrative".
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10-30-2019 , 03:35 PM

This is just my google results but everybody is running this story: NYT, WaPO, ABC, CNN. Tons of articles covering it.
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10-30-2019 , 04:33 PM
https://amp.scmp.com/news/world/unit...er-not-suicide
I was surprised to see that the South China Morning Post was covering this Baden story so I googled to see who owns them. Which isn't actually Rupert Murdoch but Jack Ma.
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10-30-2019 , 05:00 PM
The chances Epstein was murdered is, I'm sure, at least 100 times greater than the chances that a random convict who apparently hanged himself in his cell was actually murdered. That is what is confusing a lot of people.
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10-30-2019 , 06:20 PM
Barbara Sampson response
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New York City’s chief medical examiner pushed back hard Wednesday against a celebrity pathologist-for-hire’s conspiracy-stirring claim that Jeffrey Epstein’s autopsy was more consistent with homicide than suicide.

“The original medical investigation was thorough and complete. There is no reason for a second medical investigation by our office,” said Dr. Barbara Sampson.
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10-30-2019 , 06:24 PM
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The chances Epstein was murdered is, I'm sure, at least 100 times greater than the chances that a random convict who apparently hanged himself in his cell was actually murdered. That is what is confusing a lot of people.
This may be true, but I don't think that is what is confusing people.
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10-30-2019 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Did you watch the segment? Baden discusses a lot more than just autopsy stuff. He talks about the sleeping guards and malfunctioning cameras and other fishy aspects of the "official narrative".
First of all, I assume you think Baden is acting at the behest of whatever shadow group you believe controls the world. Thus, I assume that you have no confidence that Baden's public statements reflect his actual views.

Second, I could be badly mistaken, but I don't think medical examiners take things like sleeping guards, malfunctioning cameras, and "narratives" into account when doing an examination. Consulting "experts" might do that sort of thing, but not medical examiners.

I believe that MEs do an autopsy to assess whether a cause of death can be determined from the body. If the answer is no, then they state as much in the report. In other words, I don't think medical examiners review the police file and make their determinations about cause of death based on, for example, their personal opinions about the likelihood that someone could have gotten access to Epstein's jail cell.

For those who are interested in this sort of thing, you might read this AMA thread from a forensic pathologist. Luckbox, you might be particularly interested in post #24.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...ogist-1470136/
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10-30-2019 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
First of all, I assume you think Baden is acting at the behest of whatever shadow group you believe controls the world. Thus, I assume that you have no confidence that Baden's public statements reflect his actual views.
Yes but I'm not sure what this has to do with anything
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Second, I could be badly mistaken, but I don't think medical examiners take things like sleeping guards, malfunctioning cameras, and "narratives" into account when doing an examination. Consulting "experts" might do that sort of thing, but not medical examiners.



I believe that MEs do an autopsy to assess whether a cause of death can be determined from the body. If the answer is no, then they state as much in the report. In other words, I don't think medical examiners review the police file and make their determinations about cause of death based on, for example, their personal opinions about the likelihood that someone could have gotten access to Epstein's jail cell.

I was responding to your post about how Baden would judge murder % chances based on the autopsy. Whatever medical examiners in general do, Baden as a television figure is clearly taking more into account than just what he allegedly observed during the autopsy.
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For those who are interested in this sort of thing, you might read this AMA thread from a forensic pathologist. Luckbox, you might be particularly interested in post #24.



https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...ogist-1470136/
Yes looks interesting.
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10-30-2019 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
First of all, I assume you think Baden is acting at the behest of whatever shadow group you believe controls the world. Thus, I assume that you have no confidence that Baden's public statements reflect his actual views.

Second, I could be badly mistaken, but I don't think medical examiners take things like sleeping guards, malfunctioning cameras, and "narratives" into account when doing an examination. Consulting "experts" might do that sort of thing, but not medical examiners.

I believe that MEs do an autopsy to assess whether a cause of death can be determined from the body. If the answer is no, then they state as much in the report. In other words, I don't think medical examiners review the police file and make their determinations about cause of death based on, for example, their personal opinions about the likelihood that someone could have gotten access to Epstein's jail cell.

For those who are interested in this sort of thing, you might read this AMA thread from a forensic pathologist. Luckbox, you might be particularly interested in post #24.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...ogist-1470136/
The ME in the Toledo, Ohio area cheerleader who gave birth (to a stillborn) and buried it in her backyard did this and was destroyed on cross-examine. She watched the interviews of the accused, etc and even though he could not give a cause for the death, claimed it was a homicide.
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