What is funny is literally nothing has changed today. Everyone is on twitter celebrating the murder idea like they won something but Baden added very little new information. He talked about the ligature and about DNA results not being back yet and some of that is new, but those things aren't part of the big media splash. Instead it's just his presence alone that is driving the news.

Even Snowden getting in on it.

This guy on the right track.

I saw Chuck Wollery once in real life. Good thing everybody in this thread though knows what's really up.

The Epstein memes have been flowing like water on Reddit





This was before the announcement today. I'm not surprised someone who loves a headline has added nothing new to a story to get attention. Not that I'm complaining, I'd love to see something come of this. It just seems obvious that people are interested in the story

I was just noting that you presumably would urge us to ignore the substance of Baden's comments when drawing conclusions about Epstein's cause of death.

Agreed, and when in comes to taking those other factors into account, he's just a layman like the rest of us.

Jeffrey Epstein's autopsy report summary is released with pictures showing his two neck fractures after pathologist claims the millionaire pedophile's body bore signs of homicide by strangulation NOT suicide
We missed that there were photos to go along with Baden's appearance yesterday

So as I've said, little changes with Baden's 'arrival on the scene' yesterday. Very little new information was given but I think from a public perception/propaganda perspective-- yesterday makes for a big day in this Epstein saga. We saw the "unofficial narrative' get a big boost from "official" sources. And it is interesting to see the response on twitter. Plenty of tweets like this one below I've seen
The more factually accurate ones replace murder with "didn't commit suicide" but I didn't search enough to find one of those.
What the next step is though idk. I couldn't have even predicted that we ever were going to hear from Baden but what he might have foreshadowed yesterday was in in regards to DNA from the ligature. So we can look to that coming back with non-Epstein DNA on it possibly, or not. It's impossible to say. It's impossible to say where it goes from here because we don't have access to the future.
I do think it's "interesting" the way debunkers and reality explainers are forced to totally dismiss Baden now. And certainly if you wanted to rank the ideas in terms of probability it's 1. My idea >>>>>> 2. Murder >>>>>>>> 3. Suicide.
I also think that even though Baden's appearance doesn't really change that much, it still also vindicates me a decent amount, because the "conspiracy is the conspiracy" becomes sort of obvious. We can see that that is happening and that the media is pushing it. What is not obvious is why it is happening.

Why would you feel vindicated by Baden directly contradicting your main theory

It's always been Baden's role to do what he did yesterday. If Baden went on TV and said "there is actually nothing to see here"--THAT would directly contradict my main theory. Baden isn't a part of this story to argue that Epstein is still alive. His role is to push the "unofficial narrative" that Epstein was murdered. And that is what he did yesterday.
I also disagree with your take that Baden is just a "camera hog". He has been a part of this since at least August 13th but he is only making his first media appearance now. He could have been on tv most nights probably between then and now talking about this if he wanted.

I have no clue who Baden is. I must have misread something because I thought I was relating to a comment you made about Baden being a "camera hog" but can't find it now.

This comment here you're referencing to. The gist of it is fine-- which is that Baden is a 'celebrity pathologist' who has "never met a case he couldn't make controversial".
This is what I was responding to from you.
Which I disagree with.

Luckbox, why even talk about epstein? Who even knows if he ever existed? It could be political theater, to create him... what would be a better conspiracy then creating a villain out of a person.... who never existed....

he will have to know how close we come....

ill find him...

waste of time

a rumor is not a rumor, if it doesn't die

Instead of trolling, what do you think yesterday represents in the Epstein saga? I've given my thoughts.

you think someone gets this close to getting caught, and sticks his head out?

after that.... my guess is, you'll never hear from him again...

the greatest trick, the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world, he didn't exist

I think there is a greater chance he faked his death or someone staged his death than him actually killing himself. There's just too many coincidences here plus, even ignoring the way his neck broke, it seems impossible for him to have even broken his neck given his surroundings.

Who are the ones denying this is even a possibility?

I think you can't see the forest from the trees. I don't have an opinion on this stuff. What you are focusing on, is the political theater. "Did he get killed, was he murdered??? did he ever even exist???"

who cares dude? what is important, is getting his pedophile friends in jail too.

It's not that, I'm not curious what happened, I just think its a waste of time at this point to try to figure it out and things will start to get more clear as time goes on. Solving this, doesn't help from the way I see things.

"Things will get more clear as time goes on" is one of those arguments that needs to be put to bed permanently fwiw. Sometimes it does for sure, and a lot of times it doesn't.

Its not an argument, it is more the mindset I have when it comes to this. I don't see value in figuring out this. Or sure there is value, but the ratio of how hard it is, given what type of information it is and what I have access to and what I'd rather spend my time doing...

Like who gassed the syrian people, i think there is value in figuring out, who called for the attack, if it is assad, or isis or whatever, I am just not classified and dont have that type of military intelligence to make an informed opinion, so doing so, would just be because i like to hear myself talk

It's funny that you bring up Syria because even with it there are questions about whether it was staged. BBC Producer Says Syria Douma Chemical Attack Footage “Was Staged”

Well-known BBC Syria producer Riam Dalati shocked his nearly 20,000 twitter followers by stating that after a “six-month investigation” he has concluded, “I can prove without a doubt that the Douma Hospital scene was staged.”

And this is something that has been discussed a bit in pog and I can't say now what the truth is. Can Assad commit an attack and blame it on the West? Sure. I'd have to look again to be able to say what I think because there isn't enough there to be able to make a clear assessment. I agree with the general idea that sometimes you can't know and that furthermore-- knowing might not even make a difference
This isn't one of those times though. What hinders you with Epstein is your viewpoint on Trump/qanon. You can understand how ridiculous the suicide idea is but then what are your other options? Believe Hillary sent in goons and now everyone is covering it up? Believe that they whisked him off to Guantanamo or something and got the media to play along with a ridiculous story but now here comes Michael Baden to throw a wrench in the plans? None of it really fits so you're sort of forced to throw your hands up and hope things makes sense down the road.
I'm arguing that you should take a different approach and instead of looking at it from the perspective of "what happened to Epstein?", assume that almost everything you're told is false and look at it from the perspective of how it has developed in the media. Because there is plenty of rationale in taking that approach and when you do it becomes clear that the media has intentionally pushed this to stoke conspiracy theories.

LB,

from the viewpoint of a living Epstein, how much do you like this apparent surge of suspicion that he was killed in jail? Good thing or bad thing?

My basic guesses would be either witness protection program or a CIA hit, I don't think suicide is impossible and I think there is many people who wanted him dead. Any famous/rich person who went to his island a lot, would have incentive and possibly the means.

Epstein is just 1 person. The action with Barr/Durham and the investigation into the Russia investigators, will tell me all I need to know and I just clearly don't have enough information here to figure out what happened to him...I'd say at this point, the media is using Epstein as a distraction from the serious criminal investigation into Clapper, Brennan, Comey, Mccabe. Strzok, Page, Lynch, Clinton, Clinton 2, Obama.

Is reporting from the right on Epstein also intended to distract from investigations into the Clintons and Obama?

What in your opinion is the "serious criminal investigation" into Obama?