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11-07-2023 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by John21
Oh, please. What’s next, that right makes might or violence doesn’t solve anything.

Speak up all you want, you're not going to stop US/NATO from doing what it has always done and always will. You and others itt know that. So to expunge their moral guilt over all those children and innocents dying, they attack those who don't speak up rather than taking ownership of supporting a country responsible for all the killing. And they are supporting it if they continue to live in the US/West.

Honestly, if I held those beliefs, I would've left already. That's because I'd be willing to prove my commitment to my ethics by making an actual sacrifice of giving up all the benefits that come with living in the United States.

So instead of pretending like they care by doing the whole hey, hey, ho, ho virtue-signaling march: leave everything behind, learn Spanish, and start marching south. Doing otherwise is a moral cop-out. All that stuff they'll be leaving behind is stained with the blood of innocents anyway. But they enjoy those benefits too much to give them up. Right?
How does that boot taste?
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11-07-2023 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
...DonkJr is my son?


I'll get back to you on that, shall we say Friday washoe? Hopefully I'll have deciphered what you mean by then.


Btw that was a laugh of agreement washoe *bites insides of cheeks*
Yeah read it all back when you want and come back with an apology. bc you did me wrong as always. no biggie my Irish mate
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11-07-2023 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by barney big nuts
Aren't you Irish? You would think you would know a thing or two about occupation

OFC Israel is partly to blame for this mess
barny, well I guess I have to quote you now. yeah he's not consistent here imo. he spoke against the IRA if i recall right and now idk what he's doing. maybe thats an Irish thing.
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11-07-2023 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
How does that boot taste?
Not good but better than a thousand deaths. ymmv.
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11-07-2023 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkJr
My long lost father. Finally, you admit that you're my father.
its faajaah

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11-07-2023 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Quit pretending this is the holocaust and there aren't two legitimate sides to this issue.

Also, of course what you said is wrong. It took a war that 70 million people fought in to stop the Germans. Speaking up wasn't going to stop the holocaust.

Not sure where you live but acting like what's happening in America is nothing is silly. Tomorrow is a call for hate
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11-07-2023 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
could the Jewish people explain to us why Israel has to be right in the middle of muslim hostile countries?

that leads to wars.
Because you all weren't successful eradicating us and then nobody wanted us. Maybe this time you will succeed by trying to take away our homeland that we have ruled several times in the just few thousand years

Even in that story that beale told, Mohamed met Moses and Abraham here cause you know that's where they were from
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11-07-2023 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Because you all weren't successful eradicating us and then nobody wanted us. Maybe this time you will succeed by trying to take away our homeland that we have ruled several times in the just few thousand years

Even in that story that beale told, Mohamed met Moses and Abraham here cause you know that's where they were from
Yeah I know. thanks good post.
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11-07-2023 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by barney big nuts
Aren't you Irish? You would think you would know a thing or two about occupation

OFC Israel is partly to blame for this mess
He's DUP
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11-07-2023 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
could the Jewish people explain to us why Israel has to be right in the middle of muslim hostile countries?

that leads to wars.
The Jewish people don't and I think you are still conflating zionist psychopath occupiers with the Jewish people.


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Originally Posted by washoe
one state? same thing I guess.
won't stop conflicts.
Intl. law is extremely clear here and with truly free, democratic elections, hopefully administered by truly benevolent intl. group, a lasting peace could very well be possible.
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11-07-2023 , 08:40 PM


This narrative that Israel doesn't represent most jews is ludicrous

This is a Pew research poll from 2021
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11-07-2023 , 08:57 PM
There's only a majority for the top 3, all of which I would agree with for myself and I wouldn't put it like "Israel represents me".
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11-07-2023 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JackHi

Intl. law is extremely clear here and with truly free, democratic elections, hopefully administered by truly benevolent intl. group, a lasting peace could very well be possible.
Not a chance. The Israeli religious right has gained too much power so there goes a two state solution, never mind one state. Groups like Hamas are never going to stop even though they have no hope of winning.

Nobody here seems to wonder why Arab countries will not allow Palestinians to emigrate to their countries or wonder why there are still refugee camps after 75 years. Egypt didn't want Gaza back and Jordan didn't want the West Bank. They were both satisfied to be rid of them.

No, the situation is now hopeless unless you are one of those people whose plan spans hundreds of years (such as the Kurds) and the rest of us sit here shaking our heads and spitting on each other.
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11-07-2023 , 09:00 PM
why were both satisfied to get rid of them?
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11-07-2023 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
why were both satisfied to get rid of them?
Because they knew the residents were nothing but trouble,
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11-07-2023 , 09:16 PM
seems they were fine until the Zionists showed up and brutalized them for decades.
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11-07-2023 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
seems they were fine until the Zionists showed up and brutalized them for decades.
Why won't Arab countries allow Palestinians in as immigrants? Take a look around and see if you can find 75 year old refugee camps.

And you don't wonder why the King of Jordan would give up such a large chunk of his damn kingdom? Or why Egypt would give up Gaza? Gaza is worth a holy fortune, it's prime beach front property. Make me absolute ruler of Gaza and 25 years and I'll turn it into one of the world's finest playgrounds. You don't walk away from things like this w/o a very good reason.

Yep, they were just fine.
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11-07-2023 , 09:42 PM
well this seems pretty racist or whatever but ok.
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11-07-2023 , 09:48 PM
Where do you get 'racist' from?
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11-07-2023 , 09:50 PM
Meanwhile in Darfur 700+ civilians were just massacred by Islamic Jihadis. The images are absolutely horrifying.

No impassioned speeches or tears will be performed by any politicians in the US, Britain or Scotland. There will be no marches in Western nations. No shits given at all by the far left or Arab/Muslim World.

Remember, the Western far left and Muslim World has no first principle concern for humanitarian rights, or even human life. No shits are given for dead children that dont serve any political end.

Make no mistake, both of these groups are motivated by hate and cold hearted political calculations, not love or compassion. Which is why they work so well together, despite being polar opposites on everything but hate for the Western world.
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11-07-2023 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
Where do you get 'racist' from?
I dunno, you seem to think there is something inherent to Palestinians that makes them trouble now and in the past.

I do know that in 1939 most of the world thought the Jewish people were nothing but trouble and did not accept them as immigrants except in very low numbers.

both seem wrong but I guess your argument is that 1939 Jewish treatment was wrong but the modern Palestinian treatment is correct?
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11-07-2023 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
Meanwhile in Darfur 700+ civilians were just massacred by Islamic Jihadis. The images are absolutely horrifying.
Israelis call this a good night last I checked
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11-07-2023 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
Israelis call this a good night last I checked
This is exactly my point. No concern at all. Cant even pretend. Nothing but dehumanization and hate. And disturbingly I dont think this ideological commitment to hate is as rare as liberals would like to pretend it is among the far left. I just hope sleepwalking liberals wake up to the threat to humanity posed by the authoritarian far left before it is too late.
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11-07-2023 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
I dunno, you seem to think there is something inherent to Palestinians that makes them trouble now and in the past.

I do know that in 1939 most of the world thought the Jewish people were nothing but trouble and did not accept them as immigrants except in very low numbers.

both seem wrong but I guess your argument is that 1939 Jewish treatment was wrong but the modern Palestinian treatment is correct?
Other Arab countries think that there is something wrong w/ Palestinians today which is why they won't take them in. I have no idea what it is but the fact remains: they won't let them in.

And a HUGE LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!! re that 1939 Jew bit. Jews are .2% of the world's population. How many people in Bolivia even knew what a Jew was? 'Most of the world thought the Jewish people were nothing but trouble' in 1939, good lord what a thing to say.
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11-07-2023 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
Someone asked how far back we should go to discuss this, and one person said antiquity, fighting over possession of ancestral lands. To be honest, I completely reject this idea. Empirical evidence does not support it at all.
While I'm very tempted to agree, it's also vastly easier to do when you're not allied with the party currently holding the short end. Were it instead Israel that was today reduced to a stateless & badly overpowered group as they were circa end of WW2 I think that we'd be all be speaking in those terms now. If anything it's getting more difficult to speak to any policies wrt to that region given the very basic domestic issues we can't seem to sort out.
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