You do bring up a good point.

I'm fairly certain that the Dems wouldn't have lifted a finger had Trump installed himself in power after being defeated. And he very well may be elected again so.....the interesting question for the gun nutters is, how long do you think it would be before dictator trump figured out your guns aren't good for his plans ?

I'm going with the under if 50 is the line.
Gun nutters should likely be siding for Biden for the +ev result.


And in case that was serious, 'freedom as we know it' is just a fleeting abstraction. Like dying and going to heaven. The founding father's had no intention at all of ever letting more then 5% of the population enjoy the freedoms we all think we have a right too.

I suppose they'll be walked back a good deal now that we all live in the matrix. But the human condition has always sucked.

The human race basically got lucky building a nuclear bomb isn't easy. But imagine otherwise and someone like that LV shooter could have built one undetected in his basement. And while maybe not that, it's just a matter of time until some terrorist group gets their hands on a dirty nuke or some other technology to accomplish the same. How do you think traditionally liberal societies will respond to that sort of existential threat? Just like China does now would be my guess. So yeah I was serious.

I feel it is a near certainty that a nuke gets used again at some point in the future. People like to say oh it would never happen it would be suicidal for whoever used it, conveniently forgetting that people routinely commit suicide. Also societies routinely get high on their own supply and believe their own propaganda.

One will certainly be used at some point in the future, but not all nukes are created equal.
Worst case scenario is a global nuclear exchange between superpowers, which gets into stuff that would end civilization as we know it.
"Best" case scenario is a tactical nuke that 'breaks the cherry' of nuke use since WWII, but wouldn't be a civilization level event. Something like this could happen in the Ukraine and be essentially a non-event, other than its point on the nuclear historical timeline.

Middle scenarios are something like, someone does something really stupid to Israel and they retaliate, or India/Pakistan go at it...

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/25/11011...s-nba-playoffs

Steve Kerr is pissed. instead of talking about basketball he has to talk about gun laws and politicians. (at press conferences)

he lost his **** here and began shouting according to this. listing up several mass shooting that occured the last days and weeks. I think he is right. when are you going to do anything?

Why would you see the nuking of Ukraine as 'essentially a non-event'?

Do you not think that if Russia nuked Ukraine, the rest of the world would be justified in driving Russia to pariah level status well below that of what N.Korea or the USSR at its worst ever felt in terms of a near complete cut off from the rest of society, including International flights and waterways cut off for them, for decades to come, as a minimum retort?

worth a watch

Yeah, ain't watching an almost a 90-minute video, even at 2x speed...

Why not give us the cliffs?

short attention span?

you voted to change the US Open from a 18 hole playoff to some 2 hole aggregate didn't you?

Sure, but that would be toward the bottom of my list of reasons why.

No. The only good use of golf courses is getting in an easy hill sprint workout.

gjge supreme court

You're gonna need this a few more times over the next few days. Like today for instance

Ben Shapiro REACTS to Popular Media Lies on Gun Control




Your favorite "geniuses" are all in the video and accounted for, fellas.

Shapiro says government do not have to say what human needs and so shouldn’t put restrictions (speaking about guns).
Go tell him people needs even less what religion has to say about what all Americans needs and shouldn’t put restrictions by using government to put anti freedom laws .

Funny how many time he says many countries have higher problems from guns then the US but never enumerated even one …..
Because there isn’t !

I gotta be honest, when Spock said people in Canada are much more compliant with the government taking over their rights I stopped watching.

But until then it was merely people making obvious points and Spock saying 'no'.

It's like watching two middle school kids argue over batman fighting superman but one of the kids grew up and now he's fighting with himself.

Obvious in what regard? Your feelings? Because there's little to no evidence to support any of them.

Yeah

Dont know about u but the impression Shapiro gives me he was like some kind of a great debate captain team , able to be argumentative on both side of a subject but just got bought by the Koch family to expand a narrative …..

Canadian can drink at 18 , smoke pot , abortion now , access to universal health care and cheap education (relatively) .

Saying Canadians losing their rights or freedom cracked me up big time lol

The far right makes me laugh when they start talking about freedom while beside guns , doing exactly the opposite …

Well, feel free to refute one of them.

I'm here.

When their masters want them to heel they tell the stupid Americans 'Canada' or 'Europe' and since they're too poor to ever leave their mom's house they obey.

Is Shapiro actually considered a great debater or intellectual by anyone other than an echo chamber group who would elevate anyone who says certain things to 'own the libz' would be?

I ask that sincerely as I don't know, but have found him at best average in debate.

Well his got far better rhetoric than almost anyone he « claims » to represent .

As in poker, it’s much harder to make money when u start with an -EV hand to begin with right ?

Not easy to be a great debater for the side he tries to argue about right ?

When you're not smart enough to know the difference you may honestly think he's good.

You've seen them in action here. lol

the vatican sys that being pro-life means you have to support gun control.

so much for the whole 'god given right' thing?

He is obviously not a dumb guy so I am not addressing his IQ.

I am saying in the pantheon of 'strong debaters' you will see a consistent, built upon logic that makes it hard to call them out on inconsistency and hypocrisy and other things that can sabotage your credibility in a debate where you are representing 'your beliefs'. Shapiro has no issue being completely hypocritical on positions fitting his logic to whether something is right or left leaning.

So in my view he is more of a partisan pundit then a debater.

In 2018 the Brazilian President made gun ownership far easier to access by lowering the cost of getting a gun and the required license from $335 to $18.50 (both numbers over a 9 or 10 year period) which made it so even poor Brazilians can own a gun, eliminating the psychological and some other screening requirements, increasing the amount of guns someone can own to 6, increased the amount of ammo someone can buy from 50 a year to 5k a year, increasing how powerful guns can be and made it easier to conceal carry. As a result of these changes legal gun ownership in Brazil went from 330k people to 730k.

Before these changes Brazil had 28 murders per 100k people (70% of which involved a gun) and in the 3 years since the changes the number dropped 34% to 18.5 per 100k.

I’m not saying more guns will always result in less murder. I’m just saying less guns don’t always mean less murder which is what many anti-gun nuts argue.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-le...on-11656268995