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There is definitely a minority of people that follow trump like he's a cult leader, but the same could have been said about a minority of dems for obama. You are right that biden doesn't really have die hard fans like these two, but it isn't because there aren't some crazies in the dem voter base - it is because biden isn't as likeable as obama and trump.

Obama had more enthusiastic supporters, but still nothing like the people in the photos I posted above.

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03-15-2024 , 12:57 PM

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Has the incumbent ever expressed a wish to run and lost in the primaries?

Truman lost in early primaries in 1952 then gave up, I don't know if that qualifies for you

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03-15-2024 , 12:58 PM

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Do you think the majority of Republicans would prefer a different candidate?

Was that 40% for RDS before Trump announced he was running?

The Tiktok ban means nothing, it has 0 chance of passing and going into effect.

Lol why do you think it has 0 chances of passing?

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03-15-2024 , 12:59 PM

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Truman lost in early primaries in 1952 then gave up, I don't know if that qualifies for you

Suffice to say it's pretty rare, then, no matter how bad he is.

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03-15-2024 , 01:08 PM

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Also nevermind the fact that a majority of the name brand MAGA chuds actually voted no

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03-15-2024 , 01:15 PM

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Obama had more enthusiastic supporters, but still nothing like the people in the photos I posted above.

Yes, those people are wearing a lot of trump/USA gear, but if you have ever been to a sporting event I would imagine you would think a lot of the fans of both teams are in a cult too.

The anti-trump cult (mainly consisting of those from the left) is far larger and stronger than the trump cult in terms of sheer number of followers and what those followers are willing to do for their cult.

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03-15-2024 , 01:57 PM

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There is definitely a minority of people that follow trump like he's a cult leader,.

I consider people flying Trump flags for the past 8 years to be part of a cult. There are quite a few of them.

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03-15-2024 , 04:14 PM

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I consider people flying Trump flags for the past 8 years to be part of a cult. There are quite a few of them.

Ill give you that one

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03-15-2024 , 04:38 PM

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Moreover check the 2020 elections, trump underperformed republican incumbents for governor, house or the Senate basically everywhere

Not surprising, since he lost the election. In 2020 he was running more on incumbency than popularity, just like Biden is now.

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03-15-2024 , 04:42 PM

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Lol why do you think it has 0 chances of passing?

I said "and going into effect". It could pass in the house, but there is no equivalent bill in the Senate as of now, the Senate has many higher priorities, it might not be signed by the President. Even if it passes those hurdles, it would likely be hit with an injunction while it goes to court, possibly up to the SC. And at any time the parent company could decide it's not worth the trouble and sell it. I would lay odds TikTok will still be accessible by Americans on election day.

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I do think sporting events are very cultish; that's part of why I often say here that I think competitive sports are a bad thing for society.

While I don't think those who are anti-Trump are nearly as cultish as pro-Trumpers, I agree that there is a strong anti-Trump sentiment among many (including myself).
If lozen had been talking about the "Anti-Trump Cult" instead of the "Biden Cult", many would still disagree with him, but it wouldn't be as ridiculous as his many cult equivalence claims.

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It already passed overwhelmingly in the house , 352 to 65

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/13/t...ouse-vote.html

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Not surprising, since he lost the election. In 2020 he was running more on incumbency than popularity, just like Biden is now.

Doesn't matter, if other republicans got more votes than him as they did, that means republican dislike him more than they dislike other republican politicians.

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03-15-2024 , 05:05 PM

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Wait, you mean you don't sleep next to your emotional support Biden cardboard cutout? I thought that was the done thing. I mean, not that I do that. Not at all. Just asking for a friend.

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03-15-2024 , 05:12 PM

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It already passed overwhelmingly in the house , 352 to 65

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/13/t...ouse-vote.html

Whee! What about the 4 other hurdles I gave? Want to take my bet?

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Whee! What about the 4 other hurdles I gave? Want to take my bet?

Can take it at even odds with the modification that If they sell to a NATO country entity I win

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Doesn't matter, if other republicans got more votes than him as they did, that means republican dislike him more than they dislike other republican politicians.

Yes, there are some (sane) republicans who don't like Trump. No one said all republicans are part of the Trump cult. I hope there are enough of them willing to hold their noses and vote against Trump this year.

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Can take it at even odds with the modification that If they sell to a NATO country entity I win

No, that was one of the possibilities I mentioned!

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No, that was one of the possibilities I mentioned!

I know but it's a possibility that defies the logic of the ban.

A non Chinese/Russian/inimical country TikTok isn't TikTok anymore.

The reason for the ban is to deprive enemy countries from accessing too much domestic data.

And remember the topic was trump was against the ban, and maga republicans in the house didn't give a shi t and voted for it en masse anyway.

What a cult where they disregard the cult leader when they don't agree!

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Politico trying to tell you guys, in a much better prose than I could ever muster, approximately what I was trying to say before.

It's not so much about trump as you think it is in maga world, it's about his policies, especially his most controversial policy stances.

There are people which are on the far right of trump

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...ngton-00147054

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03-15-2024 , 05:36 PM

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I know but it's a possibility that defies the logic of the ban.

A non Chinese/Russian/inimical country TikTok isn't TikTok anymore.

The reason for the ban is to deprive enemy countries from accessing too much domestic data.

And remember the topic was trump was against the ban, and maga republicans in the house didn't give a shi t and voted for it en masse anyway.

What a cult where they disregard the cult leader when they don't agree!

This makes no sense. Do you think that the software couldn't work the same if another country owned it?

I understand the reason many want the ban - and if it wasn't owned by China, there wouldn't be a problem.

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No I don't think the Chinese government would have the same access to the data if the servers weren't in china and the managers of the company families couldn't be threatened no.

I also think TikTok can work as it does with low interest in revenue because it isn't mainly a for profit enterprise, just a data collecting app that also makes some money on the side.

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https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...ngton-00147054

This "new right" is not who we mean the Trump cult is. Do you think the photos I posted were young people who care more about policies than they do about Trump himself?

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03-15-2024 , 06:04 PM

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I guess I don't understand what your argument is here. I think it should be banned, but it's not going to happen anytime soon. That was my argument.

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03-15-2024 , 07:13 PM

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I guess I don't understand what your argument is here. I think it should be banned, but it's not going to happen anytime soon. That was my argument.

I think it's going to be taken off Chinese hands, which is what trump didn't want now (he wanted to keep that as a bargaining chip for later when he is potus), and which is what house republicans voted to try to achieve anyway

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