Desantis alleging there was election interference in the iowa caucus. welcome to the next 2 decades of republican politics.

Vivek quits

Trump picks him as vp??

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50% is way higher than I'm comfortable with. I was hoping for a fairly even split, maybe high 20s low 30s squeaker vs the newcomers.


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It will be a very short chapter, A slightly long one might be how anyone is remotely suprised by those most angry/let down by mainsteam politics voting more and more extremely.

This is the future we are determinedly making and it's going to get a lot worse unless we start seriously addressing real problems rather than just not being quite as bad as the other lot.

There aren't a lot of election results in the US that can surprise me given what we've seen over the last 8 years.

How do you reconcile both DeSantis and Haley's margin of loss to Trump and both of them having a bigger lead over Biden than Trump in the polls?

The national voting public is much different than the group of Iowa Republicans who manage to make it to a caucus event at a certain time in freezing weather.

The “center right “isn’t on the side of trump ?

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the kind of people who vote in these are generally very active politically

there's over 3 million residents of iowa and trump received 56,260 votes, which is not even 2% of the population

A lot of strongly religious people view abortion as murder and the Bible has a pretty strong anti-murder stance.

If Jesus came back to earth I think he would change his tune on rich people. I don’t think 2k years ago you had people getting rich like they do. In today’s world people who create wealth almost exclusive create a product or service that make others peoples lives better.

I don’t think a lot of voters vote for who in my party is most likely to beat the other party - they vote for who they think will be best to the lead our country who is best to help them personally.

You think Trump created a product or service that makes other people's life better?

Jesus also said people should give away all their wealth and personal belongings to follow him. You think he would appreciate someone who brags about his wealth? Or brags about anything in the way Trump does?

Also, no one REALLY thinks abortion is murder. I never hear even right wing politicians calling for murder charges against women who have abortions. Sure, they think abortion is bad. And they focus on that because they personally do many of the things that the Bible actually says it's bad.

The Bible on eating habits - you shall not eat shrimp, bacon, or cheeseburgers.

The Bible on abortion -... crickets

Isn't the Iowa process pretty much a shambles though? It's not really even an election by normal measures, and the previous one was so messed up that the Democrats decided not to participate in it any longer.

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I'm sorry it went this way, and despite our differences in the past, I believe that you wish it were otherwise. But I'm not surprised. This is about where the polls were.

The best thing you could have hoped for as a not-Trump Republican was a decisive second-place finish for DeSantis or Haley, and unfortunately, that didn't happen either.

Most of those voters voted for Trump in 2020, they picked Haley/DeSantis in the primary this time.

We'll see what it means

Trump won every county except Johnson county, which Haley won by a single vote. Johnson county is home to the University of Iowa and is considered the most Democratic county in the state.

Overall, the results suggest to me that Trump would pick up more votes if DeSantis dropped out than he would if Haley dropped out. (In other words, Haley supporters are more likely to have DeSantis as their second choice than DeSantis supporters are to have Haley as their second choice.)

Either way, the not-Trump Republicans need to coalesce around DeSantis or Haley sooner rather than later.

Yeah, but the Bible also is silent on heart transplants. Was abortion even a concept when the Bible was written? Maybe it was believed that you induce a miscarriage by drinking some sort of poison. Not sure.

LOL the mental gymnastics with this one. Not to mention that the rich 2,000 years ago were the OG job creators.

"christians" be like: "jesus was wrong. I know better"

You forgot that Vivek is done and threw his support behind Trump that 7% will go to Trump.

Lets be honest its a Biden/Trump battle

Not even surprised. I am just numb to how the GOP is rushing to die on the hill of Trump.

I just hope they don't take the country and the rest of us with them.

Haley will do well in New Hampshire. Maybe that wakes people up

But I'm losing hope

How did I "forget" Vivek? Where did I claim that someone other than Trump was going to win the nomination?

Yes, but my opinion on this shouldn't be the deciding vote. The deciding vote is the millions and millions of people who choose to spend their own money to stay at trump hotels every year.

Think about the richest people you know personally, the richest people in the US or what are the top 10 occupations for rich people and you will see almost every single person who create wealth in this world did so because they helped others.

You are wrong. I know this isn't a normal dinner party conversation, but I am surprised you believe nobody thinks abortion is murder.

Whenever I get pulled over for spending I tell the officer that the bible never said I shouldn't drive over 80 mph so I don't see the problem.

LOL. Trump wins a vote and what is the lefts first reaction? That wasn't legitimate.

Trump stole the dems play of calling an election or president illegitimated and they want the play back.

Trump won't do as well in New Hampshire as he did in Iowa, but I'm not sure that matters.

I don't think GOP primary voters believe that Haley is sufficiently conservative. That's odd, because she's pretty damn conservative, at least according to definition of the word that prevailed 25 years ago. For example, I have every confidence that she would nominate people like Gorsuch and ACM to the Supreme Court if given the chance.

But modern conservatives are measured by their enthusiasm for conservatism for populist demagoguery. Haley isn't a populist or a demagogue. Therefore, by modern lights, she is a RINO.