What the actual source says is unsurprisingly very different then the spin from a tabloid:

https://www.actuaries.digital/2023/0...-in-australia/

DeSantis wrote Biden a letter to see if Djokovic could come to Florida via boat.

Here is the reality If I have to present prove of vaccination to fly to Vegas from Canada than so should Djokovic .The other reality is Biden is ignoring science the vaccination requirement should have been lifted once the science told us the vaccine does not protect you from spreading it or getting Covid.

Though Luckily Dr Joe Biden will declare Covid is over in May based on what science?

They should fly Novak to Juarez and have him ask for Asylum than he could play unless he gets kidnapped and shot by the cartel

Interesting testimony from Robert Redfield here.

In the above clip you have the ex-director of the CDC, under oath, blame Dr Fauci and the US government for the deaths of millions of people.

Crickets from the media.

Laugh out loud here. Imagine handing over the economy to cooks like this.

This is a mental illness.

There is more to vaccines than just spreading or getting Covid.

The vaccine prevents a lot of people from being hospitalized. In the US anyone who has a medical emergency will be hospitalized and the State they are in will be forced to pay the medical expenses if the patient can't. So making sure all visitors from other countries are vaccinated will save a lot of money.

Getting back to the Covid vaccine not protecting you from spreading or getting Covid. That is a false assumption. The vaccine doesn't prevent the spread of Covid. But it does reduce the spread.

The ultimate problem is that Covid is more like the Flu in terms of variants getting past vaccines than it is like say the Measles (where the vaccines do end up preventing the spread). But the reduction in spread by the vaccine has probably saved a lot of lives.

Let's not pretend that he was in some merit based position. He was a political appointee.

It is a mental illness. She'd probably be happier if she didn't have the outlook she has but she can't help it.

I have a coworker (young, healthy person) that recently got covid. This dude is an absolute lefty but he's fine. He was texting me about how he was dying to leave his house after day x or whatever of isolation but he couldn't because of the guidelines. I nicely told him he could do whatever he wanted. But nope, he was adamant.

Honestly who cares. As long as he's not pestering me to get a booster, which he's not (he does have a brain).

Show me any science that says it reduces the spread

As well your not getting treated in a US hospital till you can provide proof of payment .

Than mandate travel insurance

Maybe he didn't want to leave bc he didn't want to infect others?

So.

Are you saying he's lying under oath?

It's not lying if you believe it.

I still don't get what your point is. Are you saying he's not qualified to comment on who funded the research?

Here is an article that discusses it and refers to studies that show it

What you are saying about US hospitals is untrue. An emergency is always treated regardless of proof of payment in the US. Imagine for a second that a person was suffering from a heart attack and wasn't conscious. And didn't have an insurance card on them. Or a poor person who is eligible for Medicaid but hasn't applied yet. That type of expense gets handled after the emergency is treated and it is random as to whether the hospital will be paid.

In any case this has been a huge issue for most states in terms of Medicaid. Once the ACA went into effect it greatly increased hospitals ability to get paid for emergency care for the poor.

As for mandating travel insurance that is another possibility. But that would require congressional approval. It would also make the US look pretty bad compared to countries that provide medical care for all travelers as necessary.

edit: I should have also explained why Vaccines reduce the spread of Covid for those who don't want to read the article. People who are vaccinated will get Covid less frequently than people who are not. Also, vaccines reduce the viral load in people so the period of time they are infectious is less than for people who are unvaccinated (sometimes they are not infectious at all).

If this lady wants to live her life that way all the power to her. Its like the folks out biking in the sunshine with a mask but no helmet. All the power

She is a fringy rando with very few followers. Both sides have those types of people, and they never represent much other than fringy/extreme approaches to things, so not really shocking when those on the other side try their best to push randos like that to a bigger stage to make the other side look weird.

So to the point above - I would not want anything of importance (such as the economy) handed to her, but by the same account I would not want anything of importance handed to the dude that stormed the capital (or was on a guided tour according to some) dressed like a water buffalo either. Both are essentially nonsensical, rhetorical statements.

I will point out that it does help show something I have said here before - the fringy left is not nearly as good at creating messaging that will appeal to their derps as the alt-right. The alt-right has a near monopoly on that business model, and credit to them for that. No doubt the alt-right is monetizing the rando shown above with "look at this!" type messaging to their passive derps much more than the alt left is using it to try to gain followers.

She is a doctor, which people hold in much higher regard than those idiots that stormed the capital. Politicians and their health care advisors aligned themselves much closer to her views during the lockdown era.


I would agree with you if we handed our health care system over to anti vaxxers to decide vaccine policy, however the anti vaxxers were largely marginalized towards the social media fringes.

Here is a more recent article on a CA study that shows the vaccine now reduces the spread of Omicron.

Probably because the vaccine was updated to fight Omicron.

people are still getting shots? seriously?

do you have the same disdain for people who get yearly flu shots?

From the article:

Vaccinated residents with breakthrough infections were significantly less likely to transmit them: 28% versus 36% for those who were unvaccinated. But the likelihood of transmission grew by 6% for every five weeks that passed since someone’s last vaccine shot.

So the vaccines transiently slightly reduced transmission.

And keep in mind these vaccines were specifically adapted to this specific variant, and the virus has since mutated, so it is possible even this minimal benefit no longer exists only a year later.

I mean the way this is going for The Science, I guess you gotta take the W's where you can; but if this is the best the vaccine offers in young, healthy populations you should be VERY VERY certain it is safe; given the minimal benefit.

And keep in mind in 2023 many college campuses are still requiring vaccinations and boosters despite very questionable scientific rationale for doing so.

I wonder what the margin of error is post fall 2020 on all these studies. Do they account for unreported cases. Like somebody gets sick and doesn't get tested or go to the doctor. There might be way way more cases than being reported. Like somebody like me. I'm never going to test myself because I am prone to nosebleeds and I'm not going to the doctor for a flu unless I get any sign of complications, high high fever or dehydration etc.

I think the response after the data came out in like spring 2020 about the lack of severity that they prepared for was overboard. Restrictions should have been relaxed earlier in 2020. But it makes more sense to me now what they were thinking because surely they knew it was the lab virus from the onset and panicked a little more because of that. It just seemed disingenuous about the nature of it when they explained it. Scary wording like "new" "novel" virus we don't know what it can do. Everybody who knew about SARS in Asia in the 2000s knew it was just another strain but so many Westerners have short memory or are ignorant of other countries. The scientists must have speculated it was from Wuhan thus the overreaction on their part.

U have to take into account the number 28% vs 36% is misleading in many instances .

If u start with around a 85% (?) vaccinated rate over a million people , 28% from a 850 000 people and 36% over a 150 000 persons is vastly different interpretation .

So when u say the benefit of vaccination is small because u use 28 vs 36% as being equal , should be wrong .