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Only in America can a simple issue like "hey, let's stop this pandemic which is going to kill everyone" get politicised to ****. Like, do you right wingers think that it's all some liberal plot to stop you going outside or something?

06-07-2020 , 12:19 AM

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MrWookie

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Originally Posted by neverbeclever

Dont worry, pretty sure the people here will come up with a sound explanation.

1. The protesters are essential workers.
2. Most of them are wearing masks.
3. Wake me up when you condemn Chauvin for his lack of social distancing.

06-07-2020 , 12:20 AM

#553

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

Of course that's what they think. Trump said it would go away, so obviously it did, and it's only the lying media and liberals who hate America saying otherwise.

06-07-2020 , 01:18 AM

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ChiddyBang

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

Not a "right winger" but interesting to see the social distancing narrative debunked by protests. I'm old enough to remember the social distancing protests and the media's reaction.

06-07-2020 , 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiddyBang

Not a "right winger"

I call.

06-07-2020 , 08:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

1. The protesters are essential workers.
2. Most of them are wearing masks.
3. Wake me up when you condemn Chauvin for his lack of social distancing.

Even "essential workers" wear masks.

06-07-2020 , 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

1. The protesters are essential workers.

Damnit to hell the government gets to pick winners (essential) workers and losers (non essential) workers. If you buck the government on this you could end up in jail. Support the left and you are a winnah (essential).

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2. Most of them are wearing masks.

Wearing masks prevents the spread. Please ignore that by this “logic” wearing masks made lockdowns unnecessary.

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3. Wake me up when you condemn Chauvin for his lack of social distancing.

Chauvin has been like overwhelmingly condemned for killing Floyd. If you don’t support the left on their COVID-19 policies your condemnation of Chauvin is meaningless and you are a ****ing hypocrite. Late term abortions are fine though.

06-07-2020 , 11:32 AM

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Late term abortions are fine though.

cite please

06-07-2020 , 11:55 AM

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SiMor29

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I genuinely doubt most on the right give a toss about abortion in general. It just so happens that the loony religious types who do care vote with the right wing so it gets used as a cudgel.

06-07-2020 , 02:54 PM

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Coronavirus infections haven’t spiked since Europe loosened lockdowns. There are many theories about why.

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ROME — When Italy ended its lockdown one month ago, Angelo Pan, an infectious-disease doctor, was worried. His hospital, at the epicenter of the country’s outbreak, braced for the possibility that progress against the coronavirus might slow or reverse — and that beds might again become crowded with people struggling to breathe.

But that is not what has happened.

In Italy and across most of Europe, countries have restarted their economies and resumed a degree of socializing without visible signs of the dire health consequences forecast by many. Pan’s northern Italian hospital, rather than seeing an uptick, has been able to restore once-paused services and dismantle the intensive care beds added during the emergency.

As of Friday, it hadn’t admitted a coronavirus intensive care patient in 12 days.

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Europe’s experience, at least so far, suggests that sending children back to school, reopening restaurants and even making way for large outdoor protests does not lead to an inevitable resurgence of the virus.

But scientists also readily admit there’s much they don’t know about the idiosyncrasies of this virus. They are still trying to make sense of why it is behaving as it has in Europe and whether those trends will hold — and what the answers might mean for the rest of the world.

Many disease experts say enduring behavioral changes, from hand-washing to mask-wearing, could by themselves be substantially limiting the spread in Europe. They say the continued ban of large-scale events is probably capping the damage wrought by highly contagious people — the “super-spreaders” who account for much of the transmission.

They also say there’s growing evidence that the virus could be proving seasonal — ebbing based on the temperature or other climactic conditions. Though warmer weather doesn’t stop the virus, it can aid in the fight.

Of interest. It seems likely that we're going to have at least something like a second wave in the US (we're already seeing the trend change), but I am curious as to how severe of a spike it will be. The behavioral SIR models I posted about in the citations needed thread a while back continue to seem useful.

06-07-2020 , 03:45 PM

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Sørensen and Dalgleigh, two vaccine researchers from norway and britain, have just published an article where they claim the virus spike protein have sequences that appear to be artificially constructed / inserted by humans. They say that chineese researchers was first to point out these sequences but suddenly those type of studies have stopped coming out of china. China and the US have cooperated for a long time on these type of studies called "gain of function studies" where they artificially try to increase a virus reproduction ability. One of chinas most advanced virological research institutions is in Wuhan.

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06-07-2020 , 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Of course that's what they think. Trump said it would go away, so obviously it did, and it's only the lying media and liberals who hate America saying otherwise.

Well, according to public health "experts" this is acceptable public congregation. The only way that would be possible is if we weren't in the middle of a pandemic, or public health officials would be guilty of gross negligence. So it stands to reason there must not be a pandemic spread via respiratory droplets.

06-07-2020 , 05:19 PM

#563

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Originally Posted by Kelhus100

How about you quote some of them. I have no interest in arguing with your imagination.

06-07-2020 , 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelhus100

They are doing us a favour here, they are paving the way for the return to the 'old normal'!

06-07-2020 , 06:09 PM

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if you were trying to maximize the spread of the virus:

No social distancing, check.
No masks, check.
Yelling and screaming, check.
Staying close to other virus-shedding carriers for long periods, check.
Unreal.

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06-07-2020 , 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

How about you quote some of them. I have no interest in arguing with your imagination.

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Staying at home, social distancing, and public masking are effective at minimizing the spread of COVID-19. To the extent possible, we support the application of these public health best practices during demonstrations that call attention to the pervasive lethal force of white supremacy. However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...tified/612652/

06-07-2020 , 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by joe6pack

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...tified/612652/

The Los Angeles county public health director said something to the same effect. She basically hand waived away the protesting, but said law enforcement would otherwise be strictly enforcing distancing regulations.

06-07-2020 , 06:32 PM

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MrWookie

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Originally Posted by joe6pack

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...tified/612652/

This is totally fine

06-07-2020 , 06:32 PM

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When it's for a good cause the corona threat is minimized.
Part of the official propaganda regarding corona would seem to be being as ridiculous as possible. It's the whole breaking people's minds thing. If you can get them to believe that corona is a super deadly threat but that they should be out protesting anyways, then you've captured them. They'll believe anything.

06-07-2020 , 06:59 PM

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I think it's also a sign that "wokeness" has broken people's minds, including the experts. Being woke now over-rides everything. Even public health.

06-07-2020 , 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

Part of the official propaganda regarding corona would seem to be being as ridiculous as possible. It's the whole breaking people's minds thing. If you can get them to believe that corona is a super deadly threat but that they should be out protesting anyways, then you've captured them. They'll believe anything.

Is there an "official propaganda" handbook somewhere, or is that created individual to individual based on specific beliefs. If there is an actual handbook then that would be fun to read, or perhaps those guys that come out with xxx for Dummies book can do one on that for all the sheeple. If something was posted in the handbook and is remembered as being something different years later - is that part of the official problem?

All the best.

06-07-2020 , 07:09 PM

#572

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

Do you even think George Floyd is dead?

06-07-2020 , 07:22 PM

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Do you even think George Floyd is dead?

As I've said a bunch at this point-- the fact that Michael Baden was the pathologist hired by his family is a giant red flag for me. As far as I am aware, the last autopsy that Baden "observed" was Epstein. And you know what I think about that.
But that doesn't really seem too germane to the point that I was making--which is corona is either dangerous or it isn't. And if it is (and I still think it's massively overhyped) then there isn't a BLM special exception.

06-07-2020 , 07:25 PM

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Yeesh, no wonder you think Covid is not real. Nobody actually dies in your Conspiraverse. I mean is Elvis dead yet, or an 85 year-old secretly living somewhere? What about Lincoln?

Note, I am annoyed that Wookie thought to ask you that before I did. I need to work on my game in that regard - getting rusty. Sad!

All the best.

06-07-2020 , 07:28 PM

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Monte,
We can only really do our routine in threads officially approved for this sort of stuff. I'd love to answer all your questions but this isn't the place for it. This thread is for serious business.

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