I don't.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covi...ace-ethnicity/

I think that's a massive exaggeration but it gets worse and worse as the polarisation grows.

So can I. And I get the frustration that gets some to say such things even when they dont really mean it (this applies to the above as well).

But I still profoundly disagree with the sentiment both for moral and the political reasons.

As a full blown communist are you sure you can really trust your own mind at this point?

Running people over with cars/shooting up places etc is just kind of a new trend. Not like you couldn't get hooked up to a car bumper for a little ride back in the day too. And we just had a Pres./his family giving air to those exact same sentiments fwiw--they're not at all uncommon. We've been hearing people talk trash about a civil war do-over for our entire lives as well. Hell, it was just brought up in one of these covid threads a couple days ago.

I'm a democratic socialist for want of a better label. Not quite a full blown communist.

Lets be fair every province had their nutcases. Yes Alberta has a few more Uke may say I am one of them
Though Alberta also has a very high concentration of religious groups that do not believe in vaccinations at all Mennonites, Hutterites, etc

Though Alberta is a shxt show.

Why not?

Canada does not have all those other disparities that tend to make data sifting more complex and fuzzy. In the US you have the impacts of race, poverty, inner cities, historical issues all impacting results in ways that makes it hard ot create a baseline of comparison.

Looking at Canada data the baseline across the country is much clearer and thus the ability to isolate factors is much easier. That generally makes data and conclusions much clearer.

So you have a clear situation where two Provinces (Alberta and Saskatchewan) are doing far worse with covid proportionally than other Provinces.

Can we isolate for why?


- they are the two Provinces who have a large part of their citizenry refusing vaccination and they have the lowest rates with the biggest pockets of unvax'd

- they have the largest percent of Muh Freedum derps who also do not want to be forced to take secondary measures such as mask wearing and distancing and demand to be able to go in to any business

So using Canada as a clear control what else could be impacting the disparity as it seems that those factors in combination do (d'uh) lead to vastly worse results.

http://samanthamooreberg.com/resourc...larization.pdf

I'm not trying to hate on Alberta. I really enjoyed my years there, rednecks and all. Alberta's rednecks are mostly harmless, in that they are not out hating on 'others' generally and not trying to force their religion on others generally, as most gov'ts, even Conservatives have mostly avoided trying to whip up that rail and polarize it. Sure there are more hardcore religious folk who are always happy to impose their beliefs on other but generally they are not dictating politics.

But Alberta really is a great case study for covid as it is very easy to isolate the differences and to correlate them to disproportionate covid outcomes.

Look this Delta Virus is super virulent regardless and may catch all the Provinces eventually but you can see how even small differences in approach (distancing, masking, vaccines) instantly correlates to much worse outcomes that can be the difference between managing this virus and it crashing our systems.

I think it would have taken only a nominal amount compliance from Alberta citizens (small uptick in mask use, distancing and vaccine use) for the Province to be managing just below the collapse stage, which is where I believe they need to be until enough of the anti vaxxers get killed off or obtain their herd immunity.

it is a hard reality we now face as the hard core anti vaxxers just need to be culled now, with whomever survives getting their herd immunity so we can get beyond this stage. It could end now with much higher vaccine rates but without that we need the Cull and survival to happen.

The anti vaxxers have made it such that there is no other way out.

I'm not claiming that cowboy hat wearage rates aren't a contributing factor. I agree they are; just not as much as you. Mostly I think the unvaccinated are more afraid of the vaccine and less afraid of covid than the vaccinated.

what factors do you think contribute to "fear of vaccine" such that is seems to pool in cowboy hat wearing areas?

Ya, a Commie in conservative speak

It's not pooling only in those areas:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...isparities.htm



Of course if you only include 5 dead white conservative talk show hosts in your sample and fail to represent the 5.3K blacks and 5.9K Hispanics who also died from covid in August....

You know I am talking about Canada, right?

This guy was a real gem.

Seems he moved his ongoing case to a much lower court.

I have one buddy that was a hold out . So he finally goes to a pharmacy that has a sign Vaccines no appointments. He gets there gal tells him sorry you have to book an appointment with Alberta Health. His reply but the sign says. Nope no shot
Goes home goes online with AHS and there are immediate openings Guess were AHS sends him ? Yup to the pharmacy that said nope

Doesn't matter. Comparing (CAN v AB) vaccine rates among age groups the largest deviation is among the 18-29 demo.

You need to clarify whatever point you are trying to make here as the data seems to make no distinction along the lines you are.

Are you suggesting the much worse impact of covid in Alberta is a reflection of them having more 18-29 years old driving the cases than other Provinces do and can you support that with data as I am not seeing that.

The Canadian national average for that group is ~19%

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The Alberta average for the same group is ~19%


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Again not seeing any correlation that 18-29 year olds are driving the Alberta cases and specifically the health care system near collapse, especially when compared as some sort of outlier in Canada.






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The point I'm making is with comparable "vaccine rates among age groups," as I said.





(AB%-ON%) vaccination rate by age group:
12 to 17 (-11.7%)
18 to 29 (-9.6%)
30 to 39 (-9.5%)
40 to 49 (-6.6%)
50 to 59 (-5.2%)
60 to 69 (-2.6%)
70 to 79 (-1.4%)
80+ (-1.6%)

Yes but explain what you are extrapolating from that data.

You are pointing to 18-29 year olds in Ontario having a 10% higher vaccination rate than those in Alberta, so is the extrapolation that 10% is what is driving the extra hospitalizations in AB?

My post you disagreed with was trying to identify what DIFFERENCES in the population could be driving the difference in RESULT in covid hospitalizations and this stat seems to support 'lower vax rates'?

Much more than political ideology in general or the "US style Muh Freedums" sentiment in particular, yes.

I'm not disputing the fact that the unvaccinated are driving hospitalizations/deaths. That's obvious. What I'm saying is that I don't think political beliefs are much of a factor. For example, according to the chart, 92.79% of the AB 70-79 demo are vaccinated. In the US, it's 95.1% (slightly higher than ON at 94.16%) for the same age group. Assuming that demo skews conservative or at least more conservative than the younger age groups, political beliefs can't be much of a determinant when it comes to getting vaccinated.

My claim is that the primary driver is risk perception. For example, if there were no difference between how the virus affects various age groups, I'm thinking we'd be at ~95% vaccination rates across the age spectrum, which pretty much nullifies much if any impact from political views, imo.

Actually, one way you can look at it is breakdown the vaccination rates by state and compare them to how the state voted in the last election. Can you identify it to the single human? No, but its a pretty noticeable trend that the states that voted the most for Trump tend to be the least vaccinated, and that is in different regions of the country as well.

Given the messaging as well from the alt-right crowd, it seems pretty clear that there is a fairly significant difference in vaccination rates among the 30-59 year old groups for instance. Among the 80+ likely less so, because only the derpiest of derps would ignore the math of Covid for that age group, so no shock in that regard that a virus that kills older people will have a higher across the board acceptance from that group.

I guess I would ask you how you explain the huge difference in vaccine rates between states that pretty much mirror whether they were Democratic or Republican.

Not really hard to discover where the biggest problems are by a flood of unvaccinated people in hospitals.

mainly red state in US and blue states (conservative) in Canada...

Exactly. Push comes to shove, self-preservation trumps ideology, not the other way around.
It's mostly population densities. Flip the white and black populations around while maintaining their respective vaccination rates and some would blame the low overall vaccination rate on hip hop.