You MUST have me confused with someone else. Your posts make no sense.

Don’t worry buddy. One day you will get your nose back!

I know reading comprehension is difficult but what part of my post there are you not able to understand?
Is it not your claim that people who question mainstream narratives are brainwashed?
I just double checked and yep...that was a markksman post I was responding to.

It's totally fine to question/be a skeptic. So many of the conspiracy/competing narratives(that is, the stories that pop up to fill the void/answer the questions) out there these days are so widespread yet so similar that it's pretty obvious they're not organic. These things roll out and spread so fast now it's crazy. There's an amazing amount of consistency throughout all of it--for something that bills itself as the product of free-thinkers.

Don't know if it helps, but I can confirm that Luckbox is not a poser and is legitimate conspiracy nut job.

Yes.

What category of anti-vaxxer are you?

As to the guy who suggested you are a poser, I semi-agree with him, though I suspect your beliefs are genuine. You know I asked you to make predictions about Covid when you were spending all of your time obsessing about some random crime in Portland and ear shots of an undead pedo. You really would never commit to it and would just share what you have read others say. You do that a lot - cite other conspiracy people, so you do seem more like a follower in that regard.

The thing I do not get is that you have a lot of experience using fuzzy language that you can re-interpret in hindsight, which is an essential skill for the conspiracy crowd, so I am a bit surprised you are so timid to make predictions when you can simply change the rules after the fact. You certainly could have made a broad prediction that could be molded to fit the current politicization of masks and what it represents for the evil overlords trying to get control of yadda yadda whatever.

Perhaps one day you will have the courage to be a leader in your sub-culture instead of being a simple reporter of the conspiracy media that you expect others to trust.

All the best.

We've had this discussion before and your take is really not very well thought out.
You do understand that ultimately only one thing is true, correct?

They get it from Nostradamus, the OG vague language predicter.

"The sky will burn at forty-five degrees, fire approaches the great New City. Immediately a huge scattered flame leaps up." - obviously 9/11.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer. As I've said repeatedly I got my yellow fever vaccine just 2 years ago. It's the only way to get on a plane to Cartagena.
Seems like a non-sequitor.
"While I think your beliefs are genuine, you are likely a poser because you failed to make predictions about covid".
Prior to covid we had a whole run of variois virus scares. There was H1NX, bird flu, sars, etc etc. Every couple of years some new virus was hitting the air waves (pun intended). Could I have seen that covid was going to be different earlier than I did? Most definitely. Does that make me a "poser"? I don't think so and would need some elaboration on your end as to what that means.

Like I said to wet work. There is only truth and not-truth. Expecting me to reinvent the wheel is asking too much.

That everything is pre-planned with the goal of instituting a one world (obv commie) govt etc run by the usual suspects? It would be nice if the affairs of humans could be distilled down to 1 single truth and wrapped up nice and neat with a little bow but it's rarely the case. You forget that I was very much into the conspiracy thing for years and managed to pull myself back out of it. That's also why I still have some sympathies in that regard--the reason I know all the info so well is because I consumed it for ages(and still stay pretty current with what's out there). And aside from some basically minor twists and turns the main story is still the same as it was ~35yrs ago(and decades+ prior to that as well). I've watched people that used to lol when I'd talk about conspiracy stuff ~30yrs ago--become completely consumed with it themselves as they got older.

But wrt to something like vaccinations numerous things -can- be true. And I'm not the one claiming the jungle is best place to hide from flu shots

Talking to you is like beating my head into a wall. And you're one of my favorite posters here.
But lets recap this discussion: You jumped in saying that conspiracy people are brainwashed because they all seem to believe the same thing. I pointed out that expecting them to believe all sorts of different things isn't realistic, given the nature of reality. And then you claim that really there are actually a bunch of different truths. Sigh.
And you asked me if I my plan was to go to a leper colony and I said I already pre-covid was planning on being in the jungle. So let's keep that bit straight.

Dude you're taking it way too seriously. That many things can be/are true is the reason why it's suspicious that the 1 main story is/has been so consistently pushed as the 'truth'. I wish I was as confident as you about the nature of reality

I didn't say that reality wasn't nuanced or that it isn't complicated or that multiple perspectives can't be valid.
There still ultimately is only one correct big picture view. It isn't materialism AND immatetialism. It isn't determinism AND free will. It isn't massive conspiracy AND everything happens by happenstance through the mysterious mechanisms of capital. Some things are just logically incompatible with each other.

Nah, that is just your outlook, and I admit it is interesting to watch you (as a current active consumer/reporter of the shadowy big truth yadda yadda whatever) talk with someone who lived that lifestyle but escaped it. I can see why it frustrates you as you keep trying to recap things and make points by asking questions .

All the best.

I'm going to have to stand by the claim that logically incompatible things cannot co-exist.
Arguing for multiple truths isn't really your guys' best effort here.

Nah, we can recap that you are going to stand by your belief that logically incompatible things according to how you define them cannot co-exist in your derpiverse, but that has nothing to do with actual reality. Bit of a difference there. You do understand that this is true, correct ?

All the best.

No doubt WN doesn't want this thread to be another meta discussion of conspiracy ideas. But when it's claimed that the brainwashed people are the ones who question power, that the evidence of their brainwashing is that they all believe the same thing, and when after pointing out that there is one reality, being told there are actually multiple realities, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do.

Regardless of how you might label it do you see it as an acceptable compromise for societies though?

If not, how do you reconcile that a disease like the Measles, if left unchecked via vaccine will tear thru young children and exact a deadly and very preventable toll?

What is this answer or what would you say to the parents of the dead, if your un-vaccinated child was patient zero for a deadly spread? Is the answer simply 'sorry for your luck but that is the price you must pay for my freedom?'

It is amazing to me how short sighted and narrow minded people can be.

This notion that a person has a right to walk around and spread disease because 'm'uh freedoms' is absurd.

If tomorrow a more virulent mutation of Ebola with its early 90% death rate, hits the streets with the same transmission rate and curve as Covid19, meaning we cannot keep it in check if people do not self quarantine, I would bet all my money that many of the gun loving Trumpsters now against forced measures would be all for shooting these people dead if they would not self quarantine.

The abject fear something like Ebola causes of people bleeding out publicly from every orifice would immediate change most people.

Covid19 is a gut check moment in time. A warning shot. It is a virus that is scary enough in death toll to say 'hey take this seriously and take measures' but yet not so deadly that we cannot over come it.

What happens if the next pandemic virus is one with 90% death rate like early Ebola and we need to buy our scientists time by not spreading it wide and fast too quickly before they can come up with therapies or a vaccine.

Would we really allow the 'muh freedoms' crowd to doom us all, in an instance like that, or would citizens take their self defense into their own hands??

Sure, if that was the message they were told to follow. If they were told it was a hoax they would still believe it even as people were piling up on the streets. Your example seems extreme, but the current thing due to US bungling will have a million cases a week soon enough with deaths and hospital rates soaring and even then you will still have people who say it is all a hoax and just the common cold.



Nah. That is just you creating new worlds for yourself . I can genuinely see why it frustrates you to see those that were in your world leave it as they can make you beat your head against the wall similar to how scientologists go berserk over ex-members talking.

If WN wants this chat stopped he can delete all the posts as needed. His forum to play with as he sees fit until he decides to close it one day, and if he asks me to go easy on you again I will comply, though you would agree that this is pretty easy so far, right?

All the best.

It isn't that wet work "was in my world and left" that causes me to beat my head against the wall when interacting with him. That doesn't mean much to me and I suspect he was never much actually in it-- as certain bells simply can't be unrung.
It's his style of rhetoric, where he frequently overgeneralizes, doesn't address what I actually say, lumps me in with people he reads on reddit, and looks for hypocrisy at every turn that I find exasperating. And again he's one of my favorite posters because it's obvious that he does have a bit more of a clue than most.

Re the above and once passions are lower, it is imperative that the US get its sh*t together and figure out EXACTLY what rights a POTUS, Governors and Mayors have to temporarily suspend these type of rights during pandemics.

Someone like the ACLU should sue the governments that did impose restrictions, not maliciously but to establish what the Supreme Court defines as acceptable or not, so there is no longer any ability for politicians to play the game of saying 'they cannot do that' as a reason to not do something they think simply does not serve them politically.

Ironically if an 'ebola with Covid spread' type virus does emerge, it will be the most totalitarian states who will be the ones most likely to survive it and emerge as a World power, and the US that would be one of the ones closest to being wiped out.

If you were a crazy despot (hello Kim in N.Korea) and you really wanted to wipe out the USA while knowing you have the power to protect your own people by simply ordering them all to self quarantine you would focus clearly on mutating strains of these type of viruses.

I purposely used an extreme example as sometimes people can only see the ultimate folly in their position when confronted with the extreme.

They fight against wearing a seat belt because they have only ever personally experienced a fender bender and that was not so bad. But then they get hit and suffer near life ending injuries and suddenly they are converted.

it is a great failing within humanity that we tend to only react to the threat we experience personally and thus not put in place the protections that could save us from the greater threat.


But I would argue it also is not that extreme. A different or mutated version of this current covid with a much higher death rate could cause the type of situation I describe.

Would anyone be shocked in the next few years if a new exotic (Bat or other animal jump) strain of covid is released that is far more deadly?

Does anyone think, 'nope, this is as bad a strain as man will ever deal with'.?

You give people a bit too much credit. People are innately reactive (instead of proactive) and many will choose to ignore reality if it requires them to change their behavior much. At times with all levels of leadership working on it then it can happen to a better extent (what we have seen in various countries for this pandemic, what happened in WWII etc.), but USA#1 definitely has a much more powerful "I need the freedom to whatever" people even if their beliefs are silly. They hate masks but I assume most would accept that people need to wear pants and underwear and would not be hand in hand with nudists as they eat next to them in Merica Diner explaining that it is their personal right and freedom to put their junk on their table. Just is what it is. Merica.



That is a convenient generalization/hand wave on your part.

What a nice backhanded compliment on your part. I certainly do not read reddit or much of your world besides you in this forum and the riggie thread, but I definitely lump you in with the people on the street corners who wear signs on both sides of their bodies, except you are the one who wants to talk to people and talk them to death instead of the type that screams at the skies. I just wish you had some creative predictions and thoughts when asked instead of relying on others so much, but you are a loyal consumer and reporter of the sub-culture conspiracy media.

All the best.

Only under the following four conditions I would favour mandatory vaccinations:

1. Proven efficacy of the vaccine.

2. Virtually 0% chance of major side effects from the vaccine.

3. No alternative to the vaccine that has similar efficacy.

4. The government agency mandating the vaccine pays for the vaccine.