No we can't. But I did drink a Bud Light tonight in a public place.

Men tend to 'see' them less than women do.

The beer is dog $hit but the next time I have an opportunity to troll some right wingers I'll pop a bud light.

Why is tranny offensive and when did this shift occur?

And why were the last few comments about it removed?

Someone else is allowed to use the word, but I'm not allowed to say that I didn't know the word was considered offensive?


Alright, it wasn't deleted, it was moved to the moderation thread, even though it had nothing to do with moderation. Very weird.

That conversation was all happening in the moderation thread because it stemmed from Lozen asking about misgendering and he used the word there. I don't think anything was moved it was just happening in a weird place.

As for when it started being offensive, I heard it when I was a kid (~25 years ago) and it was always mildly offensive/disrespectful even back then. It's come to be viewed more seriously as a slur/hate speech in probably the last 5-10 years.

There's generally not an easy answer to the question 'why is X offensive', because it involves potentially centuries of culture to unpack. The general answer to 'why is X offensive' is going to take the form of 'because people intentionally used X as an offensive term'. 'Tranny' simply as short for transvestite or transexual is not an offensive term without the context. It could be purely descriptive, just as a shorthand, in the same way negro means black. But it was used pejoratively, and therefore it has taken on a pejorative meaning.

As to when, my guess would be *pretty much always*.

Every word to describe something that many people believe is negative will eventually become an offensive word. When I was a kid, if someone did something stupid you callled him "R-word", even though that was the official term for someone with a mental disability.
Now kids call other kids "LD" for the official term learning disabled. So eventually another euphemism with the same meaning will need to be used.

If society at large doesn't come to fully respect trans people, the word "trans" will itself start to be seen as offensive, and the Ukes of the world will chastise people for using that word instead of the new polite term.

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Schlitz,

If you want to post inside jokes, or anything else that is off-topic and scrutable only to you (and perhaps LirvA), the low content thread is your friend.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...-here-1816794/

You just have to read a bit more David Foster Wallace while on LSD and you'll understand Schlitz just fine

I've read plenty of DFW. Reading DFW while on LSD sounds like far more work than I can muster.

There is some very slight DFW relevance to the trans topic. The main protagonist in Little Expressionless Animals-- which is my favorite DFW short story, has an etiology that somewhat mirrors a part of my trans thesis. Her mother is always running off with random guys so she grows up hating men (and cows) and is a lesbian. Perhaps if he wrote the same story today she would be trans (given the lesbian erasure phenomenon).

Sounds like DFW is a bigot

Apparently there is a trans component in Infinite Jest that is considered bigoted but I've forgotten that aspect of the book completely.

Lesbian erasure? I have a clue what that is, but am not sure as I never heard the term lesbain erasure. What I do know is that at least in Poland trans people hate lesbians and gays, kinda. That is what I learned from a very very interesting article I just read.


let me share it with you. I urge you to read it so you understand what lesbian erasure might mean. Somewhere in it he states that being gay or lesbian is frowned upon in the circle he was in (in a trans forum on the internet, a polish one) I think he even states that they hate them. Let me find it for you. Hang on...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nging-sex.html

But what I really found to be shocking is what he says here.
After he changed sex with the guidance and support from this group for many years, once he changed his mind he was met with hostility. That is not cool and repulsive to me. That is not like the money back guarantee I would expect or friendly gesture. In fact Ive seen such behaiviour honeslty only in cults. Where when you want to exit or leave the group you are met with hostility, but listen to his own words:



So the natural question would be to me, how many trans hate gays and lesbians?? I thought LGTB are all tolerant and acceptive. Not according to this.

This is probably a double edged sword, where the basis of this school of thought is good and well inteneded.
But it gets politized and abused, like many other things.

One of Elon Musks sons (now daughter) who turned 18, a twin, now wants to be addressed as she. She cut ties with him.

Here is one quote that stood out to me. Why do trans people in Poland hate gays and lesbians? Does this indicate that every trans person around the world frown upon gays? Probably not, but it gives an insight I guess.

This article could be fabricated but I doubt it. It makes sense that trans people do not like gays and lesbians. Not all but too many.

Luckys thesis is not as crazy at it might sound. I think its very reasonable, that when you hate something, you might want to become the opposite.

not fabricated, that guy is legit a person from Poland now crowdfunding to sue.

hit translate to translate under the tweet



@bobo you might want to read this article, lucky you too it underlines your thesis.

Good to see you again Washoe.

I think a fair amount of trans are repressed homosexuals, so if they hate gay people then it's because they see the part of themselves that they are repressing in them.

It means different things, sometimes just like it sounds where lesbian characters are reworked to be trans. Other times it refers to the disappearance of lesbian culture, or to the outright disappearance of lesbians altogether as the butchier ones opt to transition.

Yeah you too, hows brazil treating ya?


I think you are spot on there, but I think that compounded over the last couple years, and I might add that they were told from a very early age ,as he puts it, that being gay is just wrong and evil- given this is a catholic country more or less- this is standard. Being gay is undesirable he says, so the logic solution is change sex. But if you are right and lozen is right, which I reckon you are btw to an extend, that means we are doing youth a terrible service now. (at least to those who transition too fast too uninformed and will detransition in a few years or commit suicide) Im expecting in about 10-20 years, a different more critical approach on this topic, when more data is available. But now as typical no ****s given.

Gays and Trans dont seem to like each other sometimes. This woman excluded trans from her event and received backlash. The comments are clear though, I browsed through hundreds of comments and they are all in favor of the lesbian.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...kly-event.html



"Organiser Jenny Watson, 31, is at the centre of a transphobia row after she insisted that only 'adult human females' can attend a lesbian speed dating event"

I've been back in the US for about 2 weeks-- to help my Brazilian friend here with her daughters while she's in your country actually. Back to South America in December I'm pretty sure. But Brazil was great. I think I'll always prefer the mountains but beach life isn't too bad.