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Originally Posted by jbouton
We want to generalize it.
We are asking why someone that identifies with a gender that is not their sex, should be legally afforded the social rights of that gender.
For a male to say "I identify as a woman, therefore I should be constitutionally protected to do things that a woman does. Therefore I should be protected to participate in female only sports competitions."
There's one word you overuse/use incorrectly more than "strawman" - it's "we". The word you're looking for in the spots highlighted above is "I". Unless there's some group you've nominated yourself as spokesperson for?
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Originally Posted by jbouton
Its like Lia thomas saying 'oh i thought you were dividing swimmers by those that wear make up and those that don't'.
You are a male, swim with the males, and then walk around and tell people ur a woman, thats fine.
Why does claiming he's a woman, grant him the rights to participate in a sport that we clearly meant to filter out the males from?
I'm not sure who you think you're arguing against with this. You keep going on about people avoiding questions, and coming back to this issue. I'd think this would be pretty obvious by now, but here you go, again:
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
You should look up some of the past threads on this topic, where the athlete discussion has been had ad nauseum. I think you'll find that most of us agree there is a line where there needs to be rules around the admissibility of transgender athletes, and there are in many sports. The main point of disagreement was simply when that should be - right from day one, some time in K-12, college, professional leagues/Olympics...
One of those threads might be a better place for your questions, once you see what's already been covered.
And uke shared his thoughts on it:
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Originally Posted by uke_master
The reason I'd advocate that for youth school sports in general we should be inclusive of trans people is because trans girls may feel more comfortable playing on a team with their friends and get all the benefits of camaraderie and teamwork and physical fitness with that experience that they might not feel comfortable getting playing on a boys team when they don't identify as a boy. You don't have to agree with that, but this whole sort of faux-confused "change with the penis people" bit is tiresome.
uke and I are on the same page on this, and I think many others are as well, with some disagreement as to just where the line is when distinctions need to be made.
That's not to say everyone is in agreement; far from it. But if you're looking for some big group to argue with and tell you that transgender men should be allowed to compete in male sports at the very highest levels of competition, I don't think you'll find it here. In fact, I don't know if any single person has argued in favour of this. But as I said, there are a couple of threads dedicated to this very topic.
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
JFC
Well, it's kind of hard for him to let go of the word, because his posting all seems to be tied into some grand theory of "Marxism" where the state is trying to use transgender rights and Indigenous education and who knows what else to divide us. Something Q taught him, maybe.