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11-28-2023 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
If the number of intersex people is 1.7% then everyone should know some intersex people. I've never come across any though and I know lots of people.
You inspect the genitals of every person you encounter?
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11-28-2023 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
there are dozens if not thousands of other ones that give us a total differnt numbers. lets wait for ganstaman in hope he knows...
did you not read what i shared?

it says that the others only get their numbers by including literally every single condition known to man that has some sort of issue with either x or y chromosome and very few of those have anything to do with sex/gender

your own report itself admitted that those people who were included didn't consider themselves intersex - spoiler, because they aren't

it's as if i said that no german men have any testicles and depsite you posting pictures of your testicles in this thread to prove otherwise, i still state those are not true testicles because they are german in origin

washoe, normally your schtick is entertaining, but this is just taking your silliness to a whole new level
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11-28-2023 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
You inspect the genitals of every person you encounter?
You don't?
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11-28-2023 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
u don't have a f clue man.
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Originally Posted by rickroll
washoe, normally your schtick is entertaining, but this is just taking your silliness to a whole new level
I disagree. The above quote is pure entertainment. washoe never disappoints.
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11-28-2023 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Meisner
I’m what way am I wrong? Courtesy has nothing to do with scientific truth.
Yes it does.

You're wrong because you cannot explain anything. You don't really know that much.
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11-28-2023 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
if 1.7% of our population were intersex then it would be a phenomenally big portion of our cultural zeitgeist due simply to the infertility it entails because nearly 4% of all marriages would have an infertile intersex partner involved - nearly 1 in 25 marriages could never support children in addition to other infertility issues people face"
Something like 1/6 couples are infertile (defined by no pregnancies after a year of trying). My kids are both IVF science babies, and it's one of those weird things where when you start telling people this you quickly discover that tonnes and tonnes of people have also had struggles and all sorts of interesting stories. Anyways I have no idea what percentage of the population is what definition of intersex, just that your "oh 1/25 marriages wouldn't have children" doesn't disprove anything. That's already the case.
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11-28-2023 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Something like 1/6 couples are infertile (defined by no pregnancies after a year of trying). My kids are both IVF science babies, and it's one of those weird things where when you start telling people this you quickly discover that tonnes and tonnes of people have also had struggles and all sorts of interesting stories. Anyways I have no idea what percentage of the population is what definition of intersex, just that your "oh 1/25 marriages wouldn't have children" doesn't disprove anything. That's already the case.
IVF wouldn't help you if you were intersex

i think the main issue for so many couples struggling with children is that they aren't trying during their peak fertile years and thus you're conflating age with fertility

i'm confident that you and many of those people you've spoken to which had those struggles would not have such issues had they made similar efforts at getting pregnant when they were 17


historically, once women began having their periods, they would be married off and soon have children of their own

the idea of women having children after their 20s was an absurd notion before modern fertility aids

much of the world still holds these views - it's nearly impossible for woman over the age of 30 to get married in asia because the man's family will not approve because she won't be viewed as fertile
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11-28-2023 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
Yes it does.

You're wrong because you cannot explain anything. You don't really know that much.
Clearly you haven’t read my posts. They’re quite clear. There are only two sexes. This is backed by science. Indisputable.

You personify the problem with extremists; you accept science when it helps promote your agenda and reject science when it disproves your delusions.
Whether it’s Trumptards rejecting the science regarding COVID or leftist snowflakes rejecting science as pertains to biological sex, which is fixed in ones DNA and cannot be changed.
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11-28-2023 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Meisner
Clearly you haven’t read my posts. They’re quite clear. There are only two sexes. This is backed by science. Indisputable.

You personify the problem with extremists; you accept science when it helps promote your agenda and reject science when it disproves your delusions.
Whether it’s Trumptards rejecting the science regarding COVID or leftist snowflakes rejecting science as pertains to biological sex, which is fixed in ones DNA and cannot be changed.
Do you mean the science of covid that says there is no conclusive evidence that masks work?

Or that the vaccine program did little to nothing for nearly no one?

But in regard to there being only two sexes and its backed by science. You are demonstrating you don't know what science is, nor how words work.
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11-28-2023 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Meisner
Clearly you haven’t read my posts. They’re quite clear. There are only two sexes. This is backed by science. Indisputable.

You personify the problem with extremists; you accept science when it helps promote your agenda and reject science when it disproves your delusions.
Whether it’s Trumptards rejecting the science regarding COVID or leftist snowflakes rejecting science as pertains to biological sex, which is fixed in ones DNA and cannot be changed.
There are more than 2 and it's backed by science.

I am not an extremist. The normal position is that gender/sex is more complicated than a child's binary analysis. It's fine for a basic explanation, but if you spent more than a few minutes you should be able to figure it out. I am confused why you don't get it.

Not everyone can fit in a binary analysis. Once you accept that being transphobic makes no sense. Then you just move on to accepting people as they are and not being cruel for no scientific purpose.
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11-28-2023 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
There are more than 2 and it's backed by science.

I am not an extremist. The normal position is that gender/sex is more complicated than a child's binary analysis. It's fine for a basic explanation, but if you spent more than a few minutes you should be able to figure it out. I am confused why you don't get it.

Not everyone can fit in a binary analysis. Once you accept that being transphobic makes no sense. Then you just move on to accepting people as they are and not being cruel for no scientific purpose.
I'm curious-- when biologists study other species how many sexes do they usually find? How many sexes of black bears (to pick a random species) are there?
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11-28-2023 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jbouton
Do you mean the science of covid that says there is no conclusive evidence that masks work?

Or that the vaccine program did little to nothing for nearly no one?

But in regard to there being only two sexes and its backed by science. You are demonstrating you don't know what science is, nor how words work.
Way to prove my point, Trumpkin.

I’ve posted enough sources that there are only two sexes. Now you’re just trolling.
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11-28-2023 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I'm curious-- when biologists study other species how many sexes do they usually find? How many sexes of black bears (to pick a random species) are there?
You can google things yourself and post them here.
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11-28-2023 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
There are more than 2 and it's backed by science.

I am not an extremist. The normal position is that gender/sex is more complicated than a child's binary analysis. It's fine for a basic explanation, but if you spent more than a few minutes you should be able to figure it out. I am confused why you don't get it.

Not everyone can fit in a binary analysis. Once you accept that being transphobic makes no sense. Then you just move on to accepting people as they are and not being cruel for no scientific purpose.
Look, when you die, and hopefully you don’t reproduce before then, 100s of years from now scientists will be able to test the DNA in your bones and will know exactly what sex you are. There have only ever been two options, there are only two now, and will be only two then. And 100% of scientists will come to the exact same conclusion. Lucky for you they, most likely, will not know that you’re a moron.
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11-28-2023 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
You can google things yourself and post them here.
Can you name any other species besides **** sapiens that have more than two sexes?

(apparently there are some bacteria that have more than two I'm learning, through google)

So it's some bacteria and humans with more than two, and the rest of the animal kingdom at two. Humans are special.
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11-28-2023 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
You can google things yourself and post them here.
2. There are two sexes of black bears. This is true of all mammals. Just two sexes.
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11-28-2023 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Meisner
Look, when you die, and hopefully you don’t reproduce before then, 100s of years from now scientists will be able to test the DNA in your bones and will know exactly what sex you are. There have only ever been two options, there are only two now, and will be only two then. And 100% of scientists will come to the exact same conclusion. Lucky for you they, most likely, will not know that you’re a moron.
Weird comment, but yeah, I fall into the binary sex analysis. So that will be easy. Or not. Idk, I have not tested my DNA for an analysis.

There is more to sex than DNA. If you don't know that then why do you feel the need to be so upset about it? Why don't you just leave it alone? I am really curious why you're so into this.

It's fine to not know a lot about a subject. You don't know much here at all. The fact that there are more than 2 genders/sexes is a well known thing.
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11-28-2023 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Can you name any other species besides **** sapiens that have more than two sexes?

(apparently there are some bacteria that have more than two I'm learning, through google)

So it's some bacteria and humans with more than two, and the rest of the animal kingdom at two. Humans are special.
Very interesting!
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11-28-2023 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Meisner
2. There are two sexes of black bears. This is true of all mammals. Just two sexes.
Dang, I had to look this up for you.

https://www.snexplores.org/article/e...bility-animals


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Researchers have documented intersex conditions in grizzly, black and polar bears. In certain populations, a small percentage of female bears possess genitalia that resemble those of male bears. Some of these sows give birth to cubs, despite looking like a boar (a male bear). Intersexuality also has shown up in baboons, deer, moose, buffalo and kangaroos. No one is sure why. But in at least some instances, water pollutants — such as pesticides — have led to clearly abnormal conditions. For instance, biologists have found eggs in the testes of some male alligators and fish that had been exposed to certain pesticides.

I don't get why it's so weird to find out about this. **** happens and sometimes things don't end up in a binary analysis. Just be nice to those people who go through this process and if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
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11-28-2023 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
Weird comment, but yeah, I fall into the binary sex analysis. So that will be easy. Or not. Idk, I have not tested my DNA for an analysis.

There is more to sex than DNA. If you don't know that then why do you feel the need to be so upset about it? Why don't you just leave it alone? I am really curious why you're so into this.

It's fine to not know a lot about a subject. You don't know much here at all. The fact that there are more than 2 genders/sexes is a well known thing.
I have a bachelor’s degree in biology, a MD from a Big Ten university, am board certified in internal medicine. I believe I know a lot about the subject. There really isn’t more to sex than that (unless you’re talking about the act of coitus, which is something you probably know even less about). Male/female. That’s it. Go grab a copy of Campbell’s biology.
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11-28-2023 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
Dang, I had to look this up for you.

https://www.snexplores.org/article/e...bility-animals





I don't get why it's so weird to find out about this. **** happens and sometimes things don't end up in a binary analysis. Just be nice to those people who go through this process and if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
Someday you will realize that intersex is NOT a unique sex, it’s a genetic anomaly. No different really that Down’s, which I suspect you suffer from.
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11-28-2023 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
Dang, I had to look this up for you.

https://www.snexplores.org/article/e...bility-animals





I don't get why it's so weird to find out about this. **** happens and sometimes things don't end up in a binary analysis. Just be nice to those people who go through this process and if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
"Researchers have documented intersex conditions in grizzly, black and polar bears. In certain populations, a small percentage of female bears possess genitalia that resemble those of male bears"

Why are they saying the bears are female still if they aren't?
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11-28-2023 , 07:26 PM
i think everyone can agree that is someone has gender dysphoria and they'll be happier being the other gender then sure, go for it, nobody really cares at all - you go do you and have fun


the main issues of contention are:

1. whether or not children should be allowed to transition at an age where we've decided they are too young to drink, smoke, or vote

2. whether the rest of the world needs to redefine everything to make some insecure people feel included

if you get upset when someone says "women" when discussing fertility and want them to instead say "people with the capacity to get pregnant" then that's on you and your own insecurities and there's no reason for the rest of the world to pretend that dudes can get preggers just because you personally identify as a dude and can get preggers

my sister is a hs biology teacher, so sex/gender come up a lot and she basically has to say at the beginning of class that they are dealing with scientific terms of sex and not social constructs of gender and in science, there are only two sexes and this is always something that she will get pushback on from certain students - little idiots like trolly who have seen a few a trans tiktoks and think they are now properly educated on it all and know more about it than their teacher who has a masters in zoology



everyone agrees on the basics, but the idiotic zealots insist that everyone needs to pretend that just because someone feels like a woman that they are now a woman and now it's transphobic to state that woman can get pregnant because that doesn't include that person
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11-28-2023 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Meisner
I have a bachelor’s degree in biology, a MD from a Big Ten university, am board certified in internal medicine. I believe I know a lot about the subject. There really isn’t more to sex than that (unless you’re talking about the act of coitus, which is something you probably know even less about). Male/female. That’s it. Go grab a copy of Campbell’s biology.
It's weird to lie on the internet for people you don't know.

You're not board certified in anything.

This is a weird thing for you to do when the information is freely available.
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11-28-2023 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Meisner
Someday you will realize that intersex is NOT a unique sex, it’s a genetic anomaly. No different really that Down’s, which I suspect you suffer from.
I'll trust people who know what they're doing. Not people who fake resumes online.
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