I really - really - didn't have victim blaming trans people for getting murdered on my bingo sheet for tonight. But then I didn't have "you support rape" or "sham marriage" either, so I should stop being surprised.

But sure, show me whatever stats you have. I'll take a look.

You'll probably not believe this either, but so few people use that self identification that I've never noticed it in at least 7 years of using the app semi-regularly. Likely the same thing with rick, so that perfect solution you think is there isn't any kind of solution at all and his initial post was completely right.

I just took a look at the app again right now, and the only thing it shows on the main profile page is the picture, name, and age. You have to scroll down to read anything more about the person, which I do about 1% of the time, and that's likely the same for almost all men who use the site.

But sure, go ahead and think you're the expert about how well the site works for everyone.

You realize that the only reason it got to this point is because you have been so stubborn in your ignorance.

Just curious, do you believe that you have never been wrong about any subject you know nothing about? Have you ever admitted you were wrong about anything?

uke, it's considered rape

calling that victim blaming is just insane

that would be fair if it were someone getting killed for being trans, or killed by a lover who knew they they were trans then sure - if i went and said "well they shouldn't have been trying to date" or "they shouldn't have gone out in public" then that's a case of hateful victim blaming

stating a simple fact that a huge chunk of trans who are murdered are murdered for deceiving sexual partners and fewer would be murdered if none did that is not hateful nor bigoted - it's a simple fact - only an ideologue such as yourself would ever label that victim blaming



but someone who intentionally deceives people in order to seek or sell sex does carry some blame there - obviously those people were not right to do that and in your sick twisted mind you're already setting that up that i defend the murders of trans


but frankly, over 1/3 of those on this list were killed after a prospective or active sexual partner discovered they were trans - these people would have never been murdered if beforehand they disclosed that fact

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ng_transgender

Not surprising at all. Trans women in general are rare. I'd imagine of the trans woman going on online dating apps, that apps targeting straight people are probably not their go to. I'd imagine many of those that want to use bumble would use the "non-binary" option (and then trans woman or whatever suboption) which DOES allow you to filter against non-binary people. Of those that want to be in women's section, some will disclose on their profile, some won't. And as you say, you don't even look at profiles, so seems unlikely you would notice something you don't look at. Maybe every one of those assumptions isn't flawless, but collectively I'm not surprised you don't frequently see it.

I do have two genuine questions - do you look at profiles when after matching and when you might start chatting? And secondly, are you regularly matching with trans people and only finding out about it when chatting (or later!)

You are literally blaming these murder victims. Calling it victim blaming is just applying the definition.

It's sick.

I usually don't look at their full profile until the person has sent me a message because on Bumble the woman has to send the first message.

So even if the man reads the profile before replying, the trans woman has already had to stick herself out there and risk rejection by starting the chat.

I don't know if I've answered your first question or not. It looks like there's a missing out extra word so I don't understand the question.

For the second question, I wouldn't say that I regularly match with trans women, but it certainly has happened many times before. And because of the way the system works I do not find out until the chat has technically begun.

no, you're just a coward who was proven wrong and are now shifting goal posts to an emotional argument because facts failed you

you can't possibly admit you're wrong, so instead you turn it into personal attacks

Fair enough, thank you for explaining. I have to adjust, slightly, what I said before then. If people aren''t even looking at profiles until after the woman makes a response then indeed the timing seems to be around when "the chat has technically begun" as opposed to what I was suggesting which was prior to that. This changes almost nothing else about the arguments around this, it still seems like the right policy on behalf of Bumble, still has relatively low friction (albeit not quite as low as I thought) and affects none of the increasingly insane rants from Rick about rapes and murders and who knows what else.

adjust slightly... jfc you are an insufferable clown

kudos to chillrob for doing a great job of just calmly explaining the minutia of how the app worked and not going on insane rants about how "you support rape" and how it is the fault of trans murder victims that they were murdered.

you still haven't answered whether or not you think that's rape nor discussed one of the primary causes of trans people getting murdered

it seems you'd rather not solve that issue because you're goal isn't anything other than cosplaying victimhood

If I haven’t discussed it, how on earth did you get to the conclusion I supported rape?


Hmmmmm

It is always projection with these guys....

The male ego is a fragile thing, and a sure way to get beat down is to go around town playing your own personal crying game. I wouldn't blame a victim who was murdered that way, but an unpredictable and often physically violent result should be expected. Cannot go around swinging your secret dong and expect it to blow over with a nod and a smile

Ya I'm totally with you, girls should "expect physical violence" if they are going to wear a miniskirt and then reject a "fragile male ego".

keep on playing the village idiot, it's been explained, I've asked several questions of you to further discuss it if you will but you'd rather play the village idiot

nice strawman, absolutely nothing similar

what they are doing is literally rape, to equate this to wearing mini skirts is insanity

uke, if they were not deceiving straight men but instead deceiving lesbians would you still not consider it rape at that point?

i think the problem you have here is you've told us all that getting intimate with a trans is your deep fantasy so you don't see what the problem could possibly be - everybody wins and uke gets a wonderful unexpected but highly desired surprise

You can pigeon hole this all you like, but in no way did I give carte blanche for male violence against women.

If I approach a group of black males and start slinging the N word around I can expect a wholesale assault-this is not an excuse nor a testimony for black violence. Much like I am not a slut shaming wife beater.

If a trans woman whips it out at the 11th hour after weeks of online chats, 3 dates and a few bottles of Australian reds, you can bet it isn't going to end well for anybody

The tapes are all up above. I made a technical point about a feature in an app. You went on a long-winded essay saying "I support rape". I haven't articulated any further position on the matter before or after.

You get how absolutely INSANE that claim is, right? Like just pure insanity to act like your forum nemesis supports rape on literally zero evidence?

lmao is this some bizarre projection? Like wtf dude. You really - really - need to take a break from the internet.

Yes, let's definitely center this conversation on the bad bad trans person doing bad bad things that they should expect get them murdered.

uke, you claimed it didn't happen, i showed you the link, nearly half of all trans who were murdered for being trans were because the dick came out at the 11th hour

you're instead trying to pretend like that isn't a thing and it's all made up


you've also 100% said that you want to sleep with trans women, thus it's understandable why you wouldn't think it's a big deal as it's a surprise you would personally enjoy

You claimed it's a better experience for trans if they can match with people who don't want to date trans and can then reveal that information at a time of their choosing.

I said that's terrible to encourage because:

A) it will lead to lots of late stage rejection which only reinforces to them that they should hide it - wait until he has a connection and can look past the penis, etc etc - if they were only matched with people who were open to it in the first place they wouldn't be getting that kind of negative reinforcement that they should hide it
B) is a form of rape
C) the root cause for why many trans are murdered

you then ignore all of that and turn it into a slut shaming argument - saying the late reveal of penis in the bedroom is the same as a woman wearing a miniskirt, which is insane

You can't be posting in good faith at this point. I'm not saying gina the lovely trans deserves to die or deserves to be violently assaulted because she slipped her pole in at the last minute. I'm saying it isn't a surprising outcome and to act like like it's some out of this world result is just daft