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You're certainly allowed to question my credentials, but I don't know that some tit-for-tat is really necessary. And it doesn't make me feel bad, in part because basically no one here doubts me. As I said, I just found it humorous.

There are 2 issues going on here, and it feels like you're still mixing them up. So I'm going to write them clearly separately.

1) Gender dysphoria is generally what's listed by endocrinologists giving hormones to trans patients (as I said, I have never seen BDD listed), and while some of the patients may qualify for that diagnosis, not all strictly do. But they do have to put some diagnosis to get paid -- are you disputing that this actually happens regularly across various fields of medicine?

2) Transgender is not a mental illness. Do you disagree? Are you using your above paragraph as somehow evidence that being trans is a psychiatric problem?

Let’s follow up on the hormones. You have to have a reason, an honest reason, to prescribe medication. There must be a diagnostic code. So, if an endocrinologist is giving a female testosterone, if the reason, ie, diagnosis is not gender dysphoria, then what diagnosis is used to justify giving a woman exogenous hormones.
And you and I both know (at least I would if I was really in medicine) that the diagnosis must make sense otherwise insurance won’t pay.

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12-03-2023 , 12:52 PM

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As a professional which I am not questioning it surprises me that you seem to word that as mental illness is a bad thing So what if someone thinks it is .It is a medical diagnosis that can be treated .
Why is a must before you seek gender affirming care do we have those individuals consult with a mental health professional . Even if someone believes it is a mental health issue does not mean they think they are bad people

As we see a higher % of suicides amoung transgender individuals and those that undergo gender affirming care we treat that as a mental health issue as we do with anyone that is suicidal

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12-03-2023 , 12:56 PM

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Let’s follow up on the hormones.

Actually, let's remember the context of this discussion:

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I was commenting based on your belief that all transgender people are mentally ill

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Every single patient I have who is “transitioning” has the diagnosis F45.22, body dysmorphic disorder which is, as a point of fact, a mental health diagnosis, not a medical diagnosis.

So are you claiming that being transgender is a mental illness?

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12-03-2023 , 12:58 PM

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?? I have no idea why you think I think mental illness is a bad thing. I just think it's inaccurate as applied to transgender people. It's also something bigots say to invalidate trans people by suggesting they aren't really trans but instead something is broken in their brain making them think that.

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12-03-2023 , 01:03 PM

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So are you claiming that being transgender is a mental illness?

And to jump ahead, if you say yes, your evidence is that a mental health diagnosis is attached to visits for endocrinologists to give hormones to trans patients who are transitioning? What about other trans people -- they get no such diagnosis, so do they have a mental illness? No one is saying that some transgender people don't have gender dysphoria, but not all do. And the mental illness is gender dysphoria, not the trans identity itself.

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12-03-2023 , 01:13 PM

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If it’s not an illness, then why is an intervention required. If a man is really a woman, fine. So be it. Why are we performing surgeries and adding hormones that weren’t previously there?

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https://www.cms.gov/medicare/regulat...pt/hcpcs-codes

Funny that when I did a cursory search of the 2023 CPT codes I don't find any for trans, gender or dyphoria. Most of the CPT codes I deal with are for orthopedic and neurologic surgeres but I don't normally see such specifics more like defining things as simple, complex, complex with multiple issues. Perhaps the fake doctor will just give us the exact codes he is claiming gansta won't admit to using so we can find them ourselves

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12-03-2023 , 01:24 PM

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So you don't want someone to say trannies which I agree with but than you call a group bigots

You would concur that not 100% of the people in your field agree with you

What would you account for the sudden growth in youth that call themselves transgender?

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12-03-2023 , 01:25 PM

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F64.0 and F45.22. And the psychiastriat can confirm that all F ICD-10 codes refer to mental health diagnoses.

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12-03-2023 , 01:28 PM

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Typical hypocrisy of the pro-trans crowd. It’s cool for them to call names, threaten violence, but god forbid the pro-reality crowd exercised their first amendment privileges.
No one says such people do not exist. They do. And they are crying out for help. We, as compassionate beings, want to get them the mental help they are begging for.

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F64.0 and F45.22. And the psychiastriat can confirm that all F ICD-10 codes refer to mental health diagnoses.

Those aren't CPT codes.... What are the CPT codes?

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Those aren't CPT codes.... What are the CPT codes?

You are in medicine and don’t know what ICD-10 diagnostic codes are? The hell man.
CPT are billing codes for treatments and services, not diagnostic codes.

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12-03-2023 , 02:43 PM

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No one says such people do not exist. They do. And they are crying out for help. We, as compassionate beings, want to get them the mental help they are begging for.

The sickening part for me and most gays is they said exactly this, word for word for years( yes in the 2000’s ) and what they meant was we want to end gays.

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12-03-2023 , 02:44 PM

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You are in medicine and don’t know what ICD-10 diagnostic codes are? The hell man.
CPT are billing codes for treatments and services, not diagnostic codes.

I’d like to see you try to tell me what a cptrpg code is to my face.

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The sickening part for me and most gays is they said exactly this, word for word for years( yes in the 2000’s ) and what they meant was we want to end gays.

If you proceed from the premise that intercourse is intended to continue the species, then yes, gays are not natural. That being said, homosexuality is concerned with sexual object choice, not believing you are something other than what you are. A gay man is still a man. He merely finds himself sexually attracted to other men. But he doesn’t believe he’s anything other than he is, like a woman, or a giraffe.

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I’d like to see you try to tell me what a cptrpg code is to my face.

Certainly, since you clearly don’t know what they are.

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thread went downhill after the cheetah boy stuff. What are the current points of contention? Please nothing about medical codes, billing or otherwise.

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12-03-2023 , 02:56 PM

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thread went downhill after the cheetah boy stuff. What are the current points of contention? Please nothing about medical codes, billing or otherwise.

Basically just the pro reality crowd seeking to protect children and the other side calling names and threatening violence.

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12-03-2023 , 03:00 PM

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If you proceed from the premise that intercourse is intended to continue the species

If you mean solely intended, common sense would dictate that this premise is, at best, misguided. If you don't mean solely intended, the statement seems to be an irrelevant truism.

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12-03-2023 , 03:00 PM

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Luckbox, elrazor and me had the last exchange like the kind you’re looking for.

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12-03-2023 , 03:02 PM

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Me? I'm not looking for an exchange. I don't usually go in this thread, but curiosity got the better of me earlier and I decided to check it out

Edit: see you edited to clarify you were addressing Luckbox.

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12-03-2023 , 03:09 PM

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Why do we keep getting the superficial arguments found on Hannity about protecting the children from the evil pro trans activists, concerns about what are on peoples driver's licenses and defying sex classifications from the alleged doctor?

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12-03-2023 , 03:12 PM

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Me? I'm not looking for an exchange. I don't usually go in this thread, but curiosity got the better of me earlier and I decided to check it out.

I can't believe you won't accept the premise that the goal of intercourse is procreation. Every. single. time.

God damn activist.

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12-03-2023 , 03:14 PM

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I can't believe you won't accept the premise that the goal of intercourse is procreation. Every. single. time.

God damn activist.

I'm sure he'll accept that premise next time he wants a blow job or anal, right?

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12-03-2023 , 03:16 PM

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Very well put if you eliminate gender affirming care for kids and gender ideology being taught in the schools we have no issue .

This

, but I also don’t think adults with an obvious mental illness should be allowed in positions of power like Richard Levine. Or be given a national stage to influence youth like Bruce Jenner.

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