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03-12-2024 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I disagree about that image in particular, it seems much more likely to scare children than to educate them. I'm prone to nightmares myself, and I won't be surprised if I'm dreaming about that tonight.
the bloody thighs or the plastic pea-shooter?
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03-12-2024 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sublime
the bloody thighs or the plastic pea-shooter?
The bloody leg one, it looks like something from a horror film.
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03-13-2024 , 01:08 AM
NHS bans puberty blockers in England.

This BBC interview with Tavistock Governor Dr David Bell is well worth a listen

https://twitter.com/bullrike/status/...657007/video/1

Last edited by browser2920; 03-13-2024 at 08:01 AM. Reason: Added link
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03-13-2024 , 05:22 AM
This expert makes two interesting points:

Penetration of ideology that caused all other children problems to be framed as gender problems hmmm... I wonder which ideology that is.

"The majority of children will desist" IE will stop self identifying as trans.

Is this expert one of the experts uke and bobo would listen to, if not why not, if yes then what do we do when experts vehemently, violently disagree with each others about topics, which is far more common than people want to admit in the social sciences?
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03-13-2024 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Because they want teachers to be able to discuss that material with the kids to groom them
What an absolutely ridiculous and paranoid idea. Is there any evidence that points you in the direction of some conspiracy to groom children to be trans for some reason instead of those working with children actually thinking this is the support they need? Is there any actual evidence of teachers trying to convince kids that they are trans?
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03-13-2024 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
What an absolutely ridiculous and paranoid idea. Is there any evidence that points you in the direction of some conspiracy to groom children to be trans for some reason instead of those working with children actually thinking this is the support they need? Is there any actual evidence of teachers trying to convince kids that they are trans?
The presence of that book and others like that in elementary school libraries.

I didn't say "groom to be trans", they groom in general, and at the margin for very small (absolute, but not relative) numbers it can increase the number of sef identified trans kids, but that's not even necessarily the main reason they are doing this (the sexual explicit books with young kids).

They want to normalize their sexual fetishes in society probably, or something else even more nefarious which i can't prove so i won't mention in detail.

I mean i prove to you they put books about sucking strapon dildos in a gay couple, with graphic imagery, in elementary school libraries, and you ask me if there is any evidence about their will to groom children.

Do you agree it's monstrous beyond belief that those books were in elementary school libraries? and that whomever took that decision is inimical to the core tenets of education at a minimum, if not straight up a child abuser?

Tbh i think it's incredible there aren't many people in jail already for this
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03-13-2024 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
NHS bans puberty blockers in England.

This BBC interview with Tavistock Governor Dr David Bell is well worth a listen

https://twitter.com/bullrike/status/...657007/video/1
It’s actually false to say that puberty blockers have been banned in england. Puberty blockers are not banned. Rather, it bans their prescription at gender clinics to transgender children. The NHS still currently allows puberty blockers for cisgender children, the original use case being to delay precocious puberty.

A more accurate and honest headline would be “Conservative activists ban medicine for children because they think they are the wrong type of children”.

Similar to what happened with IVF in alabama.
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03-13-2024 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by sublime
how is a vibrator a health issue? like, it must be cleaned?
"should vibrators be cleaned, is that a health issue?" asks an adult with strong opinions about sex ed.
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03-13-2024 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
It’s actually false to say that puberty blockers have been banned in england. Puberty blockers are not banned. Rather, it bans their prescription at gender clinics to transgender children. The NHS still currently allows puberty blockers for cisgender children, the original use case being to delay precocious puberty.

A more accurate and honest headline would be “Conservative activists ban medicine for children because they think they are the wrong type of children”.

Similar to what happened with IVF in alabama.
ye the article clarified that, the title is wrong.

NHS also allows trials for gender dysphoria.

the ban was made by actual experts, you might claim conservative activists convinced actually experts, it's still experts who made the call.

and you can't claim anymore scientific and expert consensus agrees with you in the UK.

so which experts are we supposed to listen to, and what do we do when different experts of the same topic violently disagree with core issues?

can we admit the reliance on experts is unwarranted and can't be a justification for any choice, everytime there isn't an overwhelming consensus among them, for any topic?

or you want to keep playing the game that "science" agrees with you even when it objectively doesn't?
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03-13-2024 , 10:01 AM
Elite Chicago prep school dean brags about kids handling sex toys in class
https://nypost.com/2022/12/09/chicag...ugs-dean-says/


Last edited by washoe; 03-13-2024 at 10:10 AM.
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03-13-2024 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
ye the article clarified that, the title is wrong.


correct.
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03-13-2024 , 10:12 AM
This dude is the dean of students! and hes wearing nail polish!!
and hes passing around buttplugs to students!!
What kind of role model is this supposed to be?
Why is he not in Jail?? Who the f makes these calls??
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03-13-2024 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
This dude is the dean of students! and hes wearing nail polish!!
and hes passing around buttplugs to students!!
What kind of role model is this supposed to be?
Why is he not in Jail?? Who the f makes these calls??
omg not nail polish!
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03-13-2024 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sublime
how is a vibrator a health issue? like, it must be cleaned?
Well the reason we allow anyone to just go to the store and buy condoms is because that policy leads to better health outcomes for everybody. There are conservatives that don’t like that because it promotes the idea of casual sex according to them. But irregardless of what your views are about just letting teens go to the store and buy condoms, the fact is that the greater availability of condoms decreases stds, promotes sexual health, and decreases unwanted pregnancies. For similar but different reasons in 49 out of 50 states you can just walk into a pharmacy and buy a vibrator. The one exception is alabama, where vibrators are illegal, unless you get a prescription from a doctor.
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03-13-2024 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
omg not nail polish!
Seriously, why should anyone care if an adult (or anyone) wears nail polish of any color.
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
There are conservatives that don’t like that because it promotes the idea of casual sex according to them.
Are there any studies that back this up? My impression is very few people think that way. It's mainly politicians pandering to some idiots in their base. I know you phrased this in a way that technically doesn't include all or even many conservatives, but the impression it leaves is you mean most.
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03-13-2024 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
I deleted the post by 5th street about going back in time irt gender dysphoria classification. It's not OK to post a "disclaimer" stating that not all transgender people are mentally ill, but lets do a thought experiment to a time when they were. And to clarify something: there is no issue with debating whether minors should be able to receive gender affirming treatments, who should make those decisions, etc. Same with sports participation, bathroom usage, etc.

But quit trying to work around the policy irt mental illness. As the policy acknowledges:
1) A degree of respect given that you owned the action and explained yourself.

2) So the transgender speech policy now includes forbidding any mention of how it was considered a mental illness a few years ago?

Just want to be clear.
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03-13-2024 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Didace
Are there any studies that back this up? My impression is very few people think that way. It's mainly politicians pandering to some idiots in their base. I know you phrased this in a way that technically doesn't include all or even many conservatives, but the impression it leaves is you mean most.
I did not mean to imply most.Similarly, many conservatives in America are against other forms of birth control, and the exact percentages vary based on context. I think the condemnation of condoms would obviously be much more common with conservatives if it was a female rather than male birth control option.
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03-13-2024 , 11:09 AM
"why should anyone care about the aesthetics of consumer facing employees"
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03-13-2024 , 11:09 AM
A recent poll in Canada shows how out of touch folks like Uke are on Trans Gender policies . I can only imagine what they would say on that disgusting book

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It finds most Canadians would be “uncomfortable” versus “comfortable” with a school not notifying parents if their child wants to change their name or pronoun — by a margin of 64% to 33%.

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The findings were similar on the issue of children receiving hormone therapy for the purpose of changing gender (62% vs 34%) and transgender people participating in organized sport with those of their current gender identity (57% vs 37%).

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...650d497e&ei=12
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03-13-2024 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
It’s actually false to say that puberty blockers have been banned in england.
It's a good job no one said this then.

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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
A more accurate and honest headline would be “Conservative activists ban medicine for children because they think they are the wrong type of children”.
The NHS being a proxy for conservative activism is a contender for the dumbest post itt. Many conservatives in the UK would love to get rid of the NHS, and the feeing is mutual.
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03-13-2024 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
Well the reason we allow anyone to just go to the store and buy condoms is because that policy leads to better health outcomes for everybody. There are conservatives that don’t like that because it promotes the idea of casual sex according to them. But irregardless of what your views are about just letting teens go to the store and buy condoms, the fact is that the greater availability of condoms decreases stds, promotes sexual health, and decreases unwanted pregnancies. For similar but different reasons in 49 out of 50 states you can just walk into a pharmacy and buy a vibrator. The one exception is alabama, where vibrators are illegal, unless you get a prescription from a doctor.
No the reason is freedom lol jfc. Like we allow to buy coke even if it's bad for health.

Then yes condom are also "good" in various context or can be framed as such. But that's not the reason why we "allow" their sale jfc.

The state doesn't "allow", everything is allowed unless specifically prohibited
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03-13-2024 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
A recent poll in Canada shows how out of touch folks like Uke are on Trans Gender policies .
Buddy, it is "transgender". One word. Please learn the basics terms.

But you are right that I am in the minority and expect to be in the minority. Trans people, as an oppressed minority in a fairly transphobic society that doesn't understand or accept them aren't going to be winning popularity contests, as has been the case for many minorities in the past. You don't win points by noting I hold minority views here!
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03-13-2024 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
No the reason is freedom lol jfc.
Lol.
"They can take my life....but they can never take my condoooooommmmssss"
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03-13-2024 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Buddy, it is "transgender". One word. Please learn the basics terms.

But you are right that I am in the minority and expect to be in the minority. Trans people, as an oppressed minority in a fairly transphobic society that doesn't understand or accept them aren't going to be winning popularity contests, as has been the case for many minorities in the past. You don't win points by noting I hold minority views here!
When it's the minority about scientists and experts as well and you claim instead science confirms your claims...
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03-13-2024 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
"why should anyone care about the aesthetics of consumer facing employees"
Nice strawman.
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