The fact that he used that 2,000 calories for a female as a brag shows how stupid he is.

Seriously. Don't even talk to him if you want any fitness support or advice.

He honestly can't help you.

Eat less exercise more, why anyone complicates it more than that is a complete mystery to me.

I dont have any exact recorded numbers but lost over a stone by simply cutting all snacks and slightly reducing portion size for my 3 main meals.

Weight stayed off too.

Im still a long way from slim, but I am a 50 year old Englishman and like drinking beer and if that takes years off my meat prison sentence then so be it.

I did actually lose weight by going on a spirits diet, where I swapped beer for neat spirits/mixed with zero calorie mixers.

That weight does not stay off though.

Interesting, thx.

if only we could get you to share without being like uke and so condescending, scolding and know it all, in your approach.

Anyway it looks like I do two things that really help counter sarcopenia, which is walk a lot and use my stairs instead of elevator. I live on the 31st floor and almost always take the stairs down and when ambitious up, as well. Stairs up are tough though. I know marathon runners who struggle with stairs up as it is such a specific tax on the body.

I love beer but can't keep a gut from forming if i drink too much. My gut and my face are my two weight prone areas, which makes it particularly awkward if I do gain weight. The guys who get big and husky all over can still look good carrying extra but not me. I look like a tall Budha statue with chipmonk cheeks.

Just switching from beer to wine, most times, got rid of my gut. And when i indulge in beer too long, back it comes.

Sounds good .
Props to you losing weight while drinking beer .
Not easy .
U must cut a lot of other thing to achieve it .

Because everyone would prefer to eat more and exercise less ?

Does not work like that.

If I drink X calories of beer a week, and I cut Y from my diet, I lose weight purely relative to Y.

The amount of beer I drink wont effect how much weight I lose.

If someone drunk no beer and cut Y and I cut Y we lose the same amount of weight.

Obviously the non beer drinker probably weighs less than me over all.

Monty, the whole starvation mode is based in fact but it has to do with trying to cut weight when you're already at a very low body fat percentage. Something like under 12 percent or so in men.

Then the body will continue to burn fat as it always does when in a deficit but will start to burn muscle as well. This is likely because muscle takes a lot of energy to maintain and the body is trying to reserve as many calories as possible.

It doesn't apply to normal people trying to stay at a reasonably healthy weight.

Fasting is the new buzz word that all the goofs are using. It's fine to do but it can wreak havoc on your blood sugar levels and as you age and tend to be on medication or just have issues you should do it with caution. Your old 6 small meals a day is perfectly fine and probably more sensible.

Amusingly enough that's me. I've never been called fat. There were times when I deserved the title but the usual response to my weight was "really ? You look good though".

I have to say, I asked a couple of the trainers what they'd peg me at this morning. They said low 20's. I told them what the machine said and they were like..."oh, that's pretty accurate". Reassessed looking at my bone structure and said, "meh, you have a solid frame and seem to have biggish bones...maybe it's close".

So actual fitness professionals didn't call me fat when the numbers came out different than they guessed.

Imagine that.

Oh, and I had to ask if the amount of weight I could squat had any bearing on my body fat level. The guy, who I see every day, looked at me like "you're an *******" and said "of course not, why". so I told him. And hey laughed.

It is of course possible to be 5'8, 180lbs and 15% body fat, but you would have to be hella strong. At 6'1 when I was about 170 lbs I would guestimate I was around 15% body fat.

Sweating sucks and pizza is delicious. There is no secret to obesity beyond that.

What most fat people never realize is how much better you feel when you're not fat any more.

Then you have the idiots like me. I'm turning 40 this year and and feel like I'm falling apart. I lost enough weight on a keto diet to cosplay as a cancer patient, but then went back to the unlimited pizza and put half of it back on over about 3 years. I feel like **** currently and am quite displeased with myself.

I read somewhere that the true American failure is portion sizes. Eating burgers and pizza 5 times a week for dinner isn't a guaranteed path to obesity. Eating three burgers or an entire frozen pizza 5 times a week absolutely is.

That was my specialty in my 20s. Cut that frozen pizza, sliiiiiide it onto a plate and lunch is served. Oh, I'm in charge of grilling burgers for dinner? Well, ****, there's only going to be one left. No sense in tossing it, I can cram it into my face no problem. Consequences are a problem for future Inso0. God bless wives for setting a better example for the children, who are all much more well-adjusted than I ever was in the dietary department.

And that is the logic response I won't argue with.

Anecdotally as someone who is super strict with my diet at home, I cannot help but see, if i change little else but go back to beer, and hold relatively the same calorie wise, i struggle to keep the gut off.

I understand the calories in and calories out mechanic and won't dispute it but I do wonder if just like protein goes more specifically to building muscle, and sugar calories go to high blood pressure, diabetes, etc, I wonder if beer calories (carbs) can be more prone to going to belly fat as opposed to avocado calories, etc.

You could be underestimating how many calories are in the beer or overestimating how many calories you are cutting to offset the beer. It is my understanding that obesity, not sugar, is the main driver of high blood pressure or diabetes.

Yeah, but the report says what it says.

Of course the other chart says I'm obese.

I can be whatever I want in life I guess.

that is the biggest issue with rapid weight loss or weight loss on any diet that when you achieve your goal, you will not be continuing after. You do not know how much to eat, in regular food for your current size and since your body feels starved it tells you 'MORE' and as such most people have a boomerang effect back up in weight.

And yes portion size in the US is one of the biggest problems. I will never forget a family trip in the US where we all ended up at a Denny's for breakfast when I was an early teen. We ordered off the menu in a way we would at any Cdn breakfast place. And the word my mom used when they brought all the food to the table was 'obscene'.

I was thrilled, as someone who could eat endless calories and never gain a pound, as many young athletic boys can. But everyone else was grossed out.

And this is sin #1 for the USA.






The number of kids you see walk out with these 64 ounce Big Gulps, is a huge problem. Almost 800 calories in one single drink.

This is somewhere where I would approve govt getting in like they did with cigarettes and ban the sale of those to kids.

Based on the report I would guess you are much stronger than average. You might be one of those people the first time they step foot in the gym they are already stronger than half the people who have been going for years.

I was in m 40's when I lost a solid 25 pounds by just replacing my nightly cookies and ice cream with cereal and fresh fruit.

I recommend that to anyone.

The Bloomberg no sugary drink diet is actually good too.

I'll bet you say that to all the guys....

No brag though. I get asked if I work out all the time. Even in the years where I was busy raising kids and hadn't in years. My wife hates it which makes me love it all the more. lol

That's why this whole conversation with the skinny little marathon runner was so enticing to me. I knew I should excuse myself but...I just couldn't. Forgive me for polluting the thread.

Also, I don't think I'm 15% body fat. I think I'm 20 something like the trainers said. And....also, I don't really care too much. This just got to be too much fun.

No, this is the lie people tell themselves to justify falling into old habits.

I know exactly how much to eat and simply chose to go overboard with it.

In fact, it was the opposite in my own personal experience. At my absolute heaviest, I'd get the hard-to-describe 3pm feeling in the throat that tells me I need a double cheeseburger STAT and that went away completely while maintaining 1900 calories on a keto diet. It was one of the physical things I noticed first.

The boomerang effect has nothing to do with a body telling you you're starving or ignorance. It's from too many Culver's Concrete Mixers after you decide you're "done" with your diet change. It's a lifestyle/behavior issue. Full stop.

I'm also a boredom eater. Many people are stress eaters. Unfortunately for those of us who do this, the path of least resistance is never something healthy. It's a bag of Oreos or a family size bag of Peanut M&Ms. Nobody grabs a stalk of celery out of the pantry because celery can't hold a candle to the M&Ms.

Thankfully I've never been a drinker, so drinking calories isn't something I had to give up.

There is a physiological response to starvation. The body requires calories to sustain itself, so yes it exists. It does not exist as you think it does, however.

Fasting for a week is not going to make you lose less weight than if you had cut 25% or 50% of your calories each day for that week.

As starvation continues, your body will catabolize muscle tissue to convert protein for energy. As you said to me earlier, "LOL I don't care about fat loss, just weight loss," well, that would still give you weight loss.

In the realm of fat westerners trying to lose weight, starvation mode is effectively a myth. If one comes across a stall, it is not too few calories that is causing the stall.

Obese people don't eat 2000 calories a day. The whole point of the discourse was talking about obese people. It's even in the thread title. You suggested that I was talking about people who eat 2000 calories to cut 1000 calories from their diets. Not sure if that absurdity was done on purpose as a strawman, though, but a person 60 pounds overweight is not eating 2000 calories daily.

I wasn't suggesting that because lots of people fast 20-22 hours a day that this means you or anyone else should do the same; I was merely pointing out how it is a sustainable "diet" if one wants it to be because you asserted that one would need to go back to eating multiple times a day if they intermittent fast.

As a brag? I was trying to figure out why he brought up cutting 1000 calories on a 2000 calorie diet when we were talking about obese people, as the thread title suggests and the discourse (people who need to lose 60-80 pounds) was centered around. The only people on 2000 calories that need to lose weight are females that are very short.

Right. I will be honest and some people don't like brutal honesty. The diet and exercise industry loves people who like smoke blown up their asses, though. I'm still laughing at what you thought was your ace up your sleeve.




Man, if I point out a truth that goes against diet myths people are married to, I'm seen as a condescending azzhole.

Then you have Flush crying that I'm fat-shaming, yet he sees it as totally fine to fit-shame. That's proof right there that overweight people have no problem with shaming - they just don't like it when it's a character flaw of theirs on the chopping block.


How often do you go up? Yeah, it's a different tax than flat and hills.

Well, now that he finally disclosed that he took a BIA test, it explains a lot.

I thought you said I'm a swimmer? Well, which is it? I thought you didn't like speculation, eh?

Yeah. No use in consulting a fairly accurate machine when you can just call me fat.

See now this would make sense. If a person always has a big ass Big Gulp in the morning and other colas in the evening, then just switching to water would get things moving without really having to do anything.

But lol at suggesting the government ban sugary drinks/food to kids. Education is key, and parenting is key. The biggest reason kids are fat today is because they're playing on their phones and video games 14 hours a day.

Before phones and shiit, kids had to go outside and play baseball or something rather than play GTA all day with a bag of Cheetos and a 4-pack of energy drinks.

Someone could check but I think this a myth

The volume in beer is water. The calories per alcohol unit aren't greatly different from spirits.

(also the correct answer is 'and' not 'or')

One or the other.

You're not honest enough to ever give any information about yourself.
You do want all my info though. So you can spin your BS around it.

I would say you're probably locked in a ward and don't do anything but drink decaf and smoke.

My number two (by quite a bit) choice is runner. You seem like a high strung sissy.

Swimmers normally have some mettle. That's for sure not you.

What do you think?