I mean pounding back 650mLs of 9% on the reg is going to **** you up.

How many do you drink each night?

At a family get-together last weekend I learned that my great grandfather had a scar on his shoulder he would show to people, that he got when my great grandmother stabbed him with a fork after he suggested she was getting fat. She wasn't even remotely fat.... I'm proud to know fat-shaming runs in my family.

Zero is ideal. Trolly is correct on this one.

Sounded like he was speaking from experience which is why I asked.

I'll have one 6-10% 12oz after a 70+ mile ultra race. Compliments a pound of pasta quite nicely. Doesn't seem to be a problem in any regard.

The usa has a seriously dysfunctional issue with alcohol.

Chicago excepted. Maybe a few other places.

I find it interesting that there is not even a veiled attempt to spread a message that men are handsome or beautiful at any size along with accompanying big marketing campaigns.

Wow can you guess why that might be?

They got qp right where they want him. Outraged about the trivial things, spending all his days arguing about things that he's never encountered in his life. Some trans swimmer somewhere is stealing girls sports, and the countless other meaningless attacks on society.

If anybody thinks for a minute these useless issues aren't being pushed to distract from real issues then lol in your face

Many are surprised how little many women care about it.

It''s men who are stupid.

Dysfunctional as in drinking too much? Like London?

Yes,

It's the same elements of the far left who whole heartedly rejects the portrayal of healthy fit women, calling them 'unrealistic body images' and 'dangerous' who push and shame to get any such images removed while pushing this 'obesity norming' agenda to replace those images with ones like the above calling it an ideal for women.

And along with that you have the fashion industry saying 'if we cannot beat them... join them'.

but make no mistake, that if those same far left advocates attacked with the same zeal obese women imagery as they do fit and skinny women imagery, the fashion industry would largely take notice.

Nonsense.

Trying to hand wave away the issue of rising obesity is the attempt at distraction. Rising obesity is going to have immense cost, in so many areas for all of society and needs to be considered and addressed.

It is the far left that is pushing the obesity norming, and not the usual suspect on the corporate right. It is all part of the failed 'Self Esteem', 'Everyone gets an A', 'Everyone gets a participation trophy' movement that pops up in a new iteration constantly as the far left is obsessed with thinking 'being nice' is all that matters and they are too naive to understand the very real downstream consequences of these movements.

No. A dysfunctional attitude to one of life's great pleasures

I dont want to generalise too much. Chicago for example seems to have a very healthy drinking culture. it's still illegal until you're really old but I trust that's largely ignored

Chicago looking healthy indeed

Define what a "dysfunctional attitude" toward drinking is?

Define what a "healthy drinking culture" is? For example, how is Chicago different than NYC?

Thinking there's somethign wrong with it is the main thing. Confusing drinking with mass produced piss is another one but m0st places have a bit of that even if it's USA #1 by miles

Everywwere in chicago seemed to have a healthy attitude. High quality beer was very much the norm for example .

Maybe you've only visited Chicago or it's been a long time, but everywhere in America has craft beer.

So you're saying anywhere people get wasted off craft beer is healthy as opposed to getting wasted off piss beer?

Four 7.5% 12oz beers is the same as drinking six 12oz Budweiser beers, but you're saying the dude who drank the 7.5% beers has a healthy relationship with alcohol because he likes craft beer?

There is hope

I haven't been for awhile

Absolutely

No it isn't. Not remotely close. Nor is an evening of good wine or whisky the same as a night on the special brew

Would you make this mistake about everything. A steak is the same as mcdonalds if the calories are the same? Sex with someone you love is the same as with a prostitute?

The Spanish government is “the far left” now?

Bro, maybe you don't know any wealthy people? I know alcoholics that drink a 5th of McCallan 18 double cask in two days. It being $600 a bottle doesn't make it any classier than drinking a 5th of $40 scotch in two days.

The reason I drink craft beer is because I like the taste. Having a "palate" for 5 of them in one sitting is the booze, not the taste. One is sufficient.

Being an alcololic is an issue. Doesn't matter how wealthy you are. But we are talking about drinking

One is not sufficient a) a great evening develops and b) one is barely a taster - just get's the taste buds going. I wont even judge a beer seriosuly until I'm well into the second pint (or 5th) - sometimes the first pint of a truly great beer can be a bit bland

The Spanish government has a motivation to promote obese women while ignoring obese men?

Hey, care to answer the question instead of dodging it?

Are you seriously stating that you can't tell if a beer is good after 4oz of it? You gotta cop a good buzz before you can judge the beer? Lol.

All I'm saying is I know a lot of people that think they don't abuse alcohol because they only have 3 beers a night. When you look at the beer, it's equivalent to 7 American units and they try to hide under the "it's classy craft beer; I'm not a loser drinking a six pack of Budweiser by myself at home."

What are these great beers you're talking about that are bland and really kick once you're on the second pint? It's no hidden secret that boozers think the tastes improves as their buzz improves. This is why scamming bar owners can give shiit spirits to a guy that has had 5 premiums and he can't tell the difference the rest of the night.