Nah. I think you've been too preoccupied with this new term you're trying to coin and haven't read what they've written.


If writing a word equaled a calorie, QP would weigh 900kg.

Yeah I don’t imagine you are “cured” from anorexia the second you reach a certain weight if the psychological pressures are still there. So makes complete sense to not have body weight as a necessary condition.

This guy cannot use ordinary words correctly after multiple people have explained them to him. It’s absurd. I’m sorry if English is your third language or whatever.

This is all so pointless if you just make up definitions of words. Would you write is simply and factually incorrect. What sources are you using? I can cite my medical texts if you need, but the following are just unambiguous facts:
1) Obesity is defined by being excessively fat. It's not a correlation, it's a definition. There are common issues that stem from this, but they are not definitional.

2) Anorexia Nervosa is not correlated with a low weight, it is (not "was," but "is") defined by that low weight in combination with other symptoms. Atypical Anorexia Nervosa is defined by those other symptoms in the absence of that very low weight.

3) Obesity is not a form of nor a subset of Anorexia Nervosa (atypical or otherwise).

If we can't agree about basic definitions (that coincidentally, I as a medical professional specializing in the treatment of eating disorders should know well) then any discussion about the consequences of this terminology is meaningless.

Exact same applies to extreme obesity.

You are not 'cured' the second you reach a certain weight if the psychological pressures are still there. So makes sense to not have body weight as the necessary condition as well right?



I will educate the educators. You could NOT create a list of the factors impacting anorexia or extreme obesity that do not share mostly or all of the same Venn diagram.

This attempt to paint this only one way is purely agenda driven and why the far right accuses the left of not being honest with their presentation of science.


But i challenge anyone, including ganstaman to create a bullet point list of the factors contributing to the 'psychological pressures' that see people struggle with anorexia and then once done, I will excerpt all the ones that can and do apply to extreme obesity.

Any takers?

Do you deny that Anorexia WAS defined by being correlated with low weight (85% BELOW expected weight) until they CHANGED that?

Or are you denying that? As i think you are using 'is' very dishonestly there, because my point was that they changed it and that change was a 'choice' so to pretend other 'choices' could not have been made is just gaslighting dishonesty.

It is like cisgender is not a word but that was a 'choice'. It did not have to be offered or evolve to explain a gender. It could have been another word. This is how language works. CHoices are made and then by virtue of that language being adopted is becomes true.


If everyone starts saying 'Wiggle Bugaboo' = definition for a new sea creature, then that will become how it is defined. Not because it had to be but because someone chose to and others adopted it.

He literally explained this to you in point#2.

In DSM-I it's about unhealthy loss of weight not low current weight.

Lol, bro. You need to take a break from the puter.

Firstly, are you admitting to being wrong about how obesity is defined? If you can't admit to being wrong about the simplest of facts then I will stop responding because there is no hope for a fruitful discussion otherwise.

Trolly is right in that I already explain this. Anorexia nervosa was and is defined by (not correlated with) an excessively low body weight (which used to have a strict numerical definition but was changed 9 years ago to allow for us to consider personal factors about the patient) along with several other symptoms. The creation of the separate term "atypical anorexia nervosa" did absolutely nothing to change the above criteria.

Did the creation of half-court basketball make regular basketball just disappear? Did regular basketball games have to change to allow for the half-court version to exist?

Probably the biggest factor in at least the lay persons understanding of anorexia is it’s a psychological disorder where the patient is preoccupied to the point of obsession about their appearance and weight. Obesity just isn’t in that category as it’s defined primarily by physical rather than psychological factors. These definitions are just practical as when you observe obese people they usually don’t have a debilitating obsession that puts them at risk of being unable to live a normal life. They’re just overweight in a way that an anorexic person simply isn’t just underweight.

Yes, the literal explanation is that it 'is/was', meaning it was CHANGED so that NOW it is 'no longer' correlated with low weight when it was PRIOR.


Keep up Trolly as I addressed that fallacious attempt at excuse making.

Not interested in your gaslighting and you avoiding my questions while demanding i answer yours. You simply CANNOT answer my questions and not have yhour position fall apart thus your ducking and now saying you will opt out.
I already addressed the CHANGE and the change is the point.

You can keep ACTING as if the CHANGE makes your point but it does not. Change was a subject of CHOICE and other changes or no such changes were also options.

I directly answered your question. You've got to be the most ridiculous person on this forum. Have some sort of day.

You are speaking in a circular way which is is my point and the question.

We KNOW they changed the definition. You keep saying the proof of them being so different is the very changed definition. They DID NOT have to change the definition. You will not bullet point these other factors I asked you to because you can see how it will make your argument fail.

So again, to your point "...but was changed 9 years ago to allow for us to consider personal factors about the patient) along with several other symptoms. "

List below in the bullets these "other personal factors" and "several other symptoms":


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Or don't because it is clear they will all or mostly all ALSO correlate with extreme obesity as well which you do not want to admit.

You are very predictable and ridiculous when you know you are wrong and in this case that is obvious.

You literally posted an image of the DSM with precisely this information already. Are you asking me to restate those things you've already said? You truly have no understanding of this topic if that has been your hang up here.

And for the last time, are you admitting to being wrong about how obesity is defined?

This has to be performance art.

The most victimized people in the world are:

1. Donald J Trump
2. Quepee
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This guy needs help for real.

ToothSayer still around?

Another duck as you can foresee how filling out the bullets undermines your argument.


Let me go over it another way.

Definitions :

Extreme Obesity = OVer weight + extra factors A, B, C, etc
Anorexia = Under weight + extra factors A, B, C, etc


My point is the purposeful redefining of Anorexia to exclude 'under weight' is now the circular reasoning you are applying to say 'but anorexia does not focus on weight and focuses on A, B, C, etc' which is different.

You are FALSELY presenting as if Anorexia is unique in having these additional defining factors (A, B, C, etc) which you can foresee would be proven wrong if you listed them.

Thus you keep ducking my question to list them, while demanding i answer yours.

The thread is about Obesity not Anorexia

Reality eat to many calories and do little in the way of fitness you become a fatty.

Fatty bad even though media tries to tell us now it is good. Yes you are Beautiful but your not healthy

While nearly everything in this post is either wrong, a misrepresentation of what I've said, or a flat out lie, I do want to point out that anorexia nervosa was not redefined to exclude the criterion of being at a low weight. So you don't have to worry anymore.

And since you can't admit to being wrong about how obesity is defined (strictly by the excessive fat), I'm no longer posting to you on this topic.

Probably the easiest way to see it is a person can be obese with no underlying psychological condition at all but a person can’t be anorexic with no psychological condition. Granted I don’t believe anybody is not actually getting this to begin with.

It's throwing pearls to swine.


There's a million youtube videos out there on dieting. Also videos of people doing day by day diet updates and how much weight they lose. The information is all there, free, within seconds.


If they haven't lost weight, it's because they have no discipline. I have an obese 320lb friend that keeps telling me he wants to lose 50-60 pounds, he knows what to do, keeps telling me he needs to decrease his eating volume and move around more.... It's actually that simple. He tells me it's simple. He just doesn't have the willpower to get started. I'm sure its the same for all obese people.

They know deep down what to do, it's easy. But they create excuses to fool their own mind into inactivity.