edit, moving to Biden thread.

If we're going to be technical, none of this legally qualifies as treason.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ly-2-7-million

Trump campaign paid 2.7 million over two years to individuals and firms instrumental in organizing the protests that turned into riots that on the 6th of January. AP has also reported on this story.

We also know from other stories that many protesters had paid travel and lodging by various groups supporting Donald Trump, like Turning Point. It's looking an awful lot like the campaign and supporting groups has actually done what it so often has alleged political opponents were doing, paying people to organize protests and travel to them.

Couple it with the aggressive speeches and violent aftermath, and it is not a good look.

Good video, thanks. As I mentioned earlier itt, a lot of people who thought they were going on a 1776 tour of the Capitol, are actually looking at some real time.

The entire admin was a lesson in projection. Every barb thrown was an admission.

And another 'link' if any body decides to charge Trump and those around them with Insurrection and Secession.

I really hope they do, despite the known difficulty to get a verdict. I think it is important to make the jeopardy known to any future person in a position of power, that they will be prosecuted and if they want to roll the dice on beating it, go for it.

If something at this level does not get prosecuted really any future person in power knows they can pretty much get away with anything as long as they do not say the magic words ("go wreck sh*t") and that would be a wrong norm to establish.

Was Boebert helping them?

Self-styled militia members planned on storming the U.S. Capitol days in advance of Jan. 6 attack, court documents say

Someone was telling them where lawmakers were and being like "yeah kill them"!!!

Good thing they used that super secure, encrypted, never harvest data Facebook messenger. I guess we'll never know who was on the other side of that conversation. Damn...

I see you, 2+2!

Sedition. Bring it !!!

ya I dont understand how the messages were from "unspecified". its facebook, its easy to figure out who sent it.

Boebert seems like one of the dumbest people of all time. she actually thought they would be able to just kill all the Democrats.

Donald Trump 'plotted to oust Acting Attorney General' over his refusal to help overturn election results
22 Jan, 2021 08:09 PM

Former US president Donald Trump nearly ousted his Acting Attorney General in favour of a Justice Department lawyer who would have helped him overturn the election results — but backed down after senior officials vowed to resign en masse,...

...Jeffrey Clark, an unassuming lawyer who led the department's civil division, was nearly installed as the Acting AG to replace Jeffrey Rosen, who had resisted Trump's entreaties to bolster his legal battles and put pressure on state legislatures.

According to The Times, Rosen rejected Trump's requests for the Justice Department to file legal briefs supporting his allies' lawsuits seeking to overturn election results, and to appoint special counsels to investigate voter fraud.

Clark was reportedly embraced by Trump due to his support for the president's claims that the election was stolen.

...Trump's decision not to sack Rosen "came only after Rosen and Clark made their competing cases to him in a bizarre White House meeting that two officials compared with an episode of Trump's reality show The Apprentice, albeit one that could prompt a constitutional crisis".

Ultimately, senior Department of Justice officials on a conference call agreed that if Rosen was replaced, they would all resign. Trump was persuaded to keep Rosen in place, fearing the furore mass resignations at the Justice Department would cause,...

Not to make light of the situation, because it is utterly insane and idiotic (and no doubt more details will come out), but even if they forced Georgia to go along with the coup with this charade, the end result is Biden still had enough to win without Georgia, so what was the plan if this crazy even worked? Have Biden win 290-248?

Ultimately the plan was to have Georgia flip while proclaiming fraud to further the narrative they 'Proved' fraud in the only jurisdiction that would cooperate with them and allow them the full access to prove it.

It would be in furtherance to Trump's claim of fraud and why he would be justified in utilizing Martial law, to take control of the other States and demand recounts and investigations with people willing to "find the votes".

Once the Trump installed 'count team' 'found the votes' in each jurisdiction they would claim he won. The idea being it might end in SC battle with his SC finding in his favor.

You and I might call that plan madness but Trump believed the path was still possible even if not probable.

Oh ya and 'Pence declining certain slates of electors while accepting others' was all part of creating the Constitutional Crisis, requiring the SC to sort it all out.

This is an odd comment coming from you.

The plan obviously was to get an acknowledgment from one state that there was results-changing fraud, and then use that admission to push for the audit Cruz was proposing and put pressure on Pence to do something crazy. As I've said before, I don't see that any of this would have worked without a favorable SCOTUS decision or the support of the military and the Secret Service, which Trump didn't have. But that was the plan.

Boebert is in an active competition with Marjorie Taylor Greene

? I've neve been in any doubt about what can happen. Particularly in the USA.

No idea why you think it's a bizarre comment from me. Care to explain?

absolutely infuriating. dude worked in this administration and as top level official in this atrocious justice dept. no hes not a hero. hes a complete pos. just liberal brainworms to celebrate this *******.

The Underpants Gnomes have better plans.

And more on Tucker and what he has been feeding right wing America for years.


“this is more change than human being are designed to digest.”


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...People debate all the time about mass immigration. But what you never hear anybody do is make the economic case for mass immigration. ...

It’s obvious we need more scientists and skilled engineers. What we’re getting instead are waves of poor people with a high school education or less. They’re nice people; nobody doubts that. But as an economic matter, this is insane. It’s indefensible, so nobody tries to defend it.

Instead, our leaders demand you shut up and accept it. We’ve got a moral obligation to admit the world’s poor, they tell us, even if it makes our own country poorer, dirtier and more divided. Immigration is a form of atonement. Previous leaders of our country committed sins. So, we must pay for those sins by welcoming an endless chain of migrant caravans....

There was a certain emboldenment of how far the SC might go to bolster Trumps case if only given some plausible reasons to do so.

Lets remember that Bush V Gore, pushed in part by Roger Stone actions got very favorable help from the SC when they demanded the count be stopped while they settled the issue, which they then settled in a way that was favorable to Gore but they also found 'there is no longer time enough to finish the count, thus Bush wins'.

Any intelligent person would have seen that an impartial SC would have allowed the count to continue while they deliberated, as the count could always be put aside or stopped if they thought that was the right outcome but it could not be restarted in time, if that was the correct outcome.

So risk management would demand that you allow the count to continue.

We might all agree there was nothing plausible here for the SC to side with them on but they were in denial and were not going to accept that.

Yeah, I get that, and I also get that people when they are in an echo chamber start to believe their own inane plans, but this had so many near impossible parts to it, that I guess I wonder if the guy who was willing to try the Georgia coup for Trump really thought this could happen, and if so if all of the stuff you mentioned could happen.

I have no doubt Trump lived in a weird alternate mental reality for the past couple months, but I wonder what the long term plan of someone trying to make this fantasy happen was in this case. Did that person also lack the sense to realize how idiotic this stuff was. When this fails it is not like it is going to be a career builder for him when it gets out.

I get that dummies will be dummies, and it will be interesting when more details comes out, and perhaps this guy did what a few others did like Cruz and that white power fist salute Senator in placing a bad gamble. Will be interesting when more of the gory details come out, which they will, and that will likely help kill any remaining Trumpism that may have lingered.

Reminds me of Stewart Lee's response to a Uk comedian who proudly named his tour 'I didn't rape anyone'

'err... you're not supposed to are you?'