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01-14-2021 , 05:30 AM
Orange Man is like Casey Anthony. What comes out of his mouth right now in no way needs to be consistent or reconcilable with what comes out of it five minutes from now. Why would it need to be? Respect for reality is not a thing inside his head. World class lying is the heart of sociopathy.
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01-14-2021 , 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
No, that is not it.

Trump is unstable and he is a liar, he also makes any policy about himself. This by extension makes his administration unreliable and the foreign policy untrustworthy.

In diplomacy the big virtue is being trustworthy and the big sin is not to be. This is why some countries with diametrically opposed ideologies can cooperate just fine, and why some that are closely aligned can’t.

If we’re talking more about popular perception and the enormous dislike of Trump in many countries worldwide, that is undoubtedly mostly due his demeanour.
That has been my main problem with trump he is a complete **** of a person who is in it only for himself but happens to be right on a lot of foreign policy. He is a liar and conman and feel anyone with half a brain can see this. He is right on the dictatorship of China and what serious threat they pose and pretty soon it will be too late as they will take over as the worlds super power. He had historic peace deals in the middle east. We have been in no new wars since he took office unlike Obama who left the middle east in shambles and backed down from Russia, China and Iran. Appeasement does not work and he was right to leave the Iran deal.

And in terms of the lefts recent cheering of him being thrown off twitter, even Angela Merkel finds this extremely troubling.. That should say something as she is clearly no fan of Trumps
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01-14-2021 , 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by beastalamode
Translation: Nations with liberal leaders don't get along as well with us when republicans are president
Trump pulled the US out of the Iran deal, the Paris accords, and provided cover for North Korea to develop their nuclear arsenal. It's not about what or who he is, it's about the things he has done. I don't really care about your domestic policy but by the sounds of things America is in a far worse state now than it was when he took over. I think by any measure his presidency is considered a complete disaster.
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01-14-2021 , 06:42 AM
Pulling out the Paris accord might be the single worst thing he did long term. What a ****ing lunatic
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01-14-2021 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Pulling out the Paris accord might be the single worst thing he did long term. What a ****ing lunatic

In relevant news it is now reported that White House officials faked official seals on reports that downplayed the climate crisis, effectively bypassing requirements for peer review for officially issued reports.

Lies from the top encourage lies from the organization.
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01-14-2021 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 27offsuit
They are all in a cult now. That covers the entire spectrum.

I watched a close friend who is quite normal and successful with his own business, start out in 2016 saying he was just voting for Trump to troll America and F Hillary, and you know what that is fine. But four years later he is just spewing Fox talking points and calling covid the flu and when I dropped a 'What happened to you lost, get over it?" on him last weekend he self-combusted into a rage of 'the election was rigged, I will never call Biden the president, Trump was robbed by the libruls, fake news everything" and it is just said that unless he snaps out of it I will need to step away and move on.

They are in a cult.
Not voting for Hillary is, but voting to troll America ?

Why would you want to give someone the most powerful job in the country to troll yourself ?

Trump voters are stupid on a very basic level. Even though they may be talented in other areas there's something very wrong with them at their core.
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01-14-2021 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by RevengeoftheDonks
That has been my main problem with trump he is a complete **** of a person who is in it only for himself but happens to be right on a lot of foreign policy. He is a liar and conman and feel anyone with half a brain can see this. He is right on the dictatorship of China and what serious threat they pose and pretty soon it will be too late as they will take over as the worlds super power. He had historic peace deals in the middle east. We have been in no new wars since he took office unlike Obama who left the middle east in shambles and backed down from Russia, China and Iran. Appeasement does not work and he was right to leave the Iran deal.

And in terms of the lefts recent cheering of him being thrown off twitter, even Angela Merkel finds this extremely troubling.. That should say something as she is clearly no fan of Trumps
We can overlook the fact that he refused to accept the election results because he went against a few neo liberal policies ?

Nah. The problem with constantly voting for the lesser evil is you keep moving to the right on the evil scale.

Biden will reset us back to the Obama/Clinton level of evil and maybe we can work from there. The whole "I ams your master now" level of evil is a bit too far.

Maybe come back in 4 years and the sheep will be ready for it.
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01-14-2021 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
Racism is undeniably a big factor behind all this.
And that's the big American tragedy. Maybe I'm naive, but I think racism does nothing but hurt this country. We'd have less ghettos. Less poverty. Less crime. We'd really be a lot better country. But to a lot of people, this is I guess either too radical an idea or just nonsense. It's too bad. We are only hurting ourselves. Look at recent events. A lot of it goes back to racism. If we want the country to go forward, we have to learn to be more tolerant. Black people have always been around, and they stubbornly stick around. Black people aren't going anywhere.
Very strange wording. Also, no kidding they aren't going anywhere -- they are, you know, Americans.

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Trump has been on TV all day selling out the last group of idiots. I doubt Trump could muster 10,000 idiots to attack the Capitol again. And none of the idiots who were just in Washington are gonna fall for his fake tough guy rhetoric again.

Trump going forward is a paper tiger.
I'd love to believe this but this might go down as one of the worst takes ever.

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I saw the speech tonight for the first time in full. Did he write that, do you think? Is there some monster behind the scenes writing that for him? He didn't seem to be looking at notes or a teleprompter. Amazing. That was the real thing. The real demagogue, populist, propagandist, conniving manipulative ... (am I really going to say this) ... genius! I think that blew Mussolini away. It was eloquent, right on note after all the tone deafness to everything else. He is the real thing on this as some have been saying on here. But he's still a coward, a blowhard, a weak and small fool.


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[...] I recommend the book Mistakes Were Made (But Not By Me). It's a pretty good explanation of cognitive dissonance (which is certainly what we are up against here), and what it takes to fight against it
thx for the book rec
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01-14-2021 , 09:50 AM
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I saw the speech tonight for the first time in full. Did he write that, do you think? Is there some monster behind the scenes writing that for him?
Very possible that Roger stone has been behind a lot of what's happened over the past 4 years.
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01-14-2021 , 09:52 AM
The information from this Congress woman is deeply troubling.

At best you have a very naïve disregard of the rules and at worst active abetting.

In either case, naivety or malice, the members must be expelled from Congress if they participated in doing this.


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01-14-2021 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
I saw the speech tonight for the first time in full. Did he write that, do you think? Is there some monster behind the scenes writing that for him?
Very possible that Roger stone has been behind a lot of what's happened over the past 4 years.
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01-14-2021 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
The information from this Congress woman is deeply troubling.

At best you have a very naïve disregard of the rules and at worst active abetting.

In either case, naivety or malice, the members must be expelled from Congress if they participated in doing this.



I’d imagine this nut job was one of the members of Congress.

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01-14-2021 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
I'd love to believe this but this might go down as one of the worst takes ever.
Right wing extremism has been expanding greatly for several decades in the US. Trump was a convenient symbol, a socially acceptable swastika if you will. He also paved the way for their biggest conspiracy theories to go into mainstream politics where they are now touted daily to many tens of millions of people, so there will be no shortage of new recruits.

It's not going anywhere soon.

It's pathetic to look at Trump and his enablers cough a few asthmatic calls to peace near the end of his presidency, as if they are in any shape or form in control. They nourished it, welcomed it in, made it grow and gave it their blessing. That was their part.

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01-14-2021 , 10:40 AM
More troops are in DC, to protect us from psychotic Trumpkins, than are stationed in Iraq or Afghanistan.

#MAGA
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01-14-2021 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by revots33
More troops are in DC, to protect us from psychotic Trumpkins, than are stationed in Iraq or Afghanistan.

#MAGA

That is cause Trump brought them all home from those failed wars that Joe Biden voted for and Obama continued . Im just kidding
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01-14-2021 , 11:38 AM
It's kind of sad that we are cheering the fact that a grand total of 10 Republicans from the house decided to do the right thing. And they are already getting slammed by their state GOP parties.

The GOP as it stands today is a cancer for our country. This started well before Trump, with the racist birther movement and the "tea party" which was supposedly about taxes but was really just another racist right-wing anti-Obama group.
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01-14-2021 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by revots33
It's kind of sad that we are cheering the fact that a grand total of 10 Republicans from the house decided to do the right thing. And they are already getting slammed by their state GOP parties.

The GOP as it stands today is a cancer for our country. This started well before Trump, with the racist birther movement and the "tea party" which was supposedly about taxes but was really just another racist right-wing anti-Obama group.
Without getting the GOP onboard, you will never tackle the current problem with right wing extremism. The democrats doesn’t have a line to the people that needs to hear the message.

I doubt that will happen. Even members of the GOP who wants in seem to be rejected. Rep. Kinzinger asked for an extended time slot in the impeachment proceedings and was told no. That was a solid opportunity missed.
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01-14-2021 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
We can overlook the fact that he refused to accept the election results because he went against a few neo liberal policies ?

Nah. The problem with constantly voting for the lesser evil is you keep moving to the right on the evil scale.

Biden will reset us back to the Obama/Clinton level of evil and maybe we can work from there. The whole "I ams your master now" level of evil is a bit too far.

Maybe come back in 4 years and the sheep will be ready for it.
In terms of not accepting results the democrats have to be joking. They have been calling him an illegitimate president and Russian Asset for years. So they never accepted the results. Having said that his rhetoric was terrible and not surprised by the capital riots. What do you expect to happen when you load a bunch of people into DC and tell them the election was stolen.

Having said that the democrats have been inciting violence for months. Maxine Waters, Pelosi, Corey Booker all of them publicly saying things like confront trump supporters in the street and get in their face. How is that not inciting violence? Both sides can be wrong at the same time. There were a few bad apples who rioted and attacked police, most of the protesters in DC were peaceful if you want to go by the democrats standards
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01-14-2021 , 12:16 PM
Can anyone tell me what even the point of Impeachment is at this point other than to piss more radical people off? Some crackpot lawyers were talking about continuing the trial after his terms ends but that seems completely unconstitutional This will never be put to a vote in time as the senate does not even come back till the 19th. Not to mention the pressuring of Pence to use the 25th amendment was also unconstitutional.

The media lost all credibility during his presidency and that is why people have fallen down the rabbit hole in terms of conspiracy theories. When everything you publish is negative and skewed people will stop believing you. Guy did a tons of bad stuff, if they would have stuck to the facts instead of making up **** at every turn we wouldn't have this problem.

Election also looked bad with mail in voting as it looked like he was winning then all of a sudden he was way down do to mail in voting in which a huge majority of the votes were democrats which makes 100 percent given he even told people not to do mail in voting but people are not that bright. Bad optics though.

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01-14-2021 , 12:20 PM
Probably a moot point since I would wager almost 0% chance 17 GOP Senators vote to impeach. They are too worried about either their political careers, or psychotic Trumpkins terrorizing their families.

That being said, I think the "point" is that when the POTUS incites a riot that seeks to overthrow the legitimate govt, and ends up killing a police officer, just saying "oh well, that happened, guess we'll just move on" is not an appropriate response.
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01-14-2021 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RevengeoftheDonks
Can anyone tell me what even the point of Impeachment is at this point other than to piss more radical people off? Some crackpot lawyers were talking about continuing the trial after his terms ends but that seems completely unconstitutional This will never be put to a vote in time as the senate does not even come back till the 19th. Not to mention the pressuring of Pence to use the 25th amendment was also unconstitutional.
Accountability. That's it. You simply can't let Trump and the rest of his clown posse off scot-free. Would set a horrible precedent.

And lol at pissing more radical dipshits off as an argument. Spare me with that tristed logic.
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01-14-2021 , 12:43 PM
Trump will terrorize and ruin the republican party over time regardless. If they cannot see, he is over all toxic and will only keep digging the party deeper and deeper into an ever narrow hole they are blind.

it is a question of tearing the bad aide off quick or slow at this point. There is pain either way.

I would not be shocked if there are close to enough republicans who would vote for 'fast' and given the ability to vote their conscious, get rid of Trump and focus on rebuilding.
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01-14-2021 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Trump will terrorize and ruin the republican party over time regardless. If they cannot see, he is over all toxic and will only keep digging the party deeper and deeper into an ever narrow hole they are blind.

it is a question of tearing the bad aide off quick or slow at this point. There is pain either way.

I would not be shocked if there are close to enough republicans who would vote for 'fast' and given the ability to vote their conscious, get rid of Trump and focus on rebuilding.

Reality is if Mitch votes yes Trump is done. Though the longer the democrats wait to send it to the senate the less chance they have.
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01-14-2021 , 12:52 PM
Very good that 10 Republican congressmen at least voted for impeachment.
The troubling part about that is though that their deranged MAGA constituents will probably vote them out next election and replace them with deranged MAGA's.
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01-14-2021 , 12:53 PM
In a shocking development, here is the list of elected officials who walked opp teams through the Capitol on Jan 5th:



They should all be removed POST HASTE. There is really no other option.
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