We had just covered that a JC institute for socialism doesn't remotely mean JC teaching.

Is there a sweet smell of that which is to be found emanating from the rear end of a bull here...

But the other guy claims

Hmm...

It does, however, mean millionaires -- because Corbyn and Milne and Picasso owner Drummond-Murray and their Stalinist clique are all millionaires -- 'teaching' the 'working classes', of whom they know nothing, about 'socialism', i.e. the Morning Star Communism of hyper-privileged tankies, which the working classes can't be doing with.

And look at what's just happened to Labour in northern working-class constituencies. Yes, quite. And look what the voters blamed for that result. Not Brexit. Just bloody Corbyn. Because normal people hate that stuff. And Continuity Corbyn candidate Long-Bailey, herself a rich lawyer who made her fortune advising on PFI contracts for the NHS, is now pretending everybody in her Salford seat loves Labour, which they don't, so she's clearly a bloody awful and lazy and deluded constituency MP. In fact she lost 9% of her vote. And she's probably going to lose more next time.

In the spirit of unity a video we can all enjoy:

That was most enjoyable

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...9a4b018dc?385l

Some bloke called Tom that works for Karie's boyfriend tells me it is all nasty and untrue so you can probably ignore it.

Well, I think there might be one or two legal implications, because a lot of Labour staffers are minded to sue.

Polls now are utterly meaningless without 4+ years of the gutter press screaming almost daily abuse at the leader, whether its "Randy Nandy" or attacks on Starmer's record as DPP.

Wise man pointed out that if you just give people what they say they want then they already have it.

Which might be ok if they weren't so unhappy with it.

I'm trying hard to warm to KS and give him fair hearing. There is this:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...gnpolicy.iraq1

https://www.onlondon.co.uk/haringey-...ukCa_Q5f0tphh0

lol

JFC that reads like The Daily Mash...

Can confirm Crouch End is notorious for being full of wealthy middle class tossers.

It was much better back in the 70s and 80s when it was mainly working class people, art students and middle class dropout heroin addicts.

I am a middle class tosser and used to live there.

I went there once. Some big ice cream place that someone thought was worth the trip.

Such thoughts should be reserved for places like Calabria imo

Arguing that the use of force is only lawful if Vladimir Putin says so is not a moral position. The Attorney-General's position was based on Dr Hans Blix's advice to the Security Council that 'Iraq's delaying tactics could be construed as a material breach of Resolution 1441 by those urging military action.' The words 'serious consequences' in 1441, referring to what would happen in the event of a material breach, were universally understood to mean military action. This was Dr David Kelly's view as well. It's funny how Putinist creeps like Galloway and Corbyn try to pretend that the very pro-war Dr Kelly was somehow anti-war, now he's dead and can't speak for himself, even though his Guardian article on the subject is a matter of record.

Oh, in case anybody still doesn't know Dr Kelly's views on Iraq, here they are, in his own words.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...tonreport.iraq

You'll notice they are very similar to Tony Blair's views, as expressed in his memoir A Journey -- particularly in relation to the UNSC, and Saddam's vote-buying from the French, Germans, Russians and Chinese, and the likelihood that sanctions would soon break down. That'll be because Kelly, an MI6 asset, was partly responsible for the briefings that the Prime Minister received.

We now know, of course, that in some respects MI6 was lying to No.10. In particular, they knew that the two Iraqi defectors in Germany, who told those stories about 'mobile labs' and so on, were fantasists and liars, because the German BND interrogators said so -- yet MI6 told No.10 those two men were reliable. Even after MI6 internal documents recognised as fact that the two men were liars, they still didn't tell No.10 this.

Kelly, as an MI6 asset, then got caught out in a buck-passing operation to put the blame on No.10, using Kelly as the cut-out to brief journalists. As it was deniable, he had no recourse once caught and he was just hung out to dry.

Although the Chilcot report contains at least some of the essential information, its grandstanding headline-grabbing conclusions, the only bits anyone took notice of, are at odds with much of that information. I'm not sure the Chilcot report would have been quite that bad if Sir Martin Gilbert, one of the most distinguished members of the panel, had not died so prematurely.

I'd also add that, unlike 54% of the public at the time, I did not approve of the Iraq war and thought it was a stupid idea. But I don't go childishly pretending a thing is 'illegal' just because I don't like it.

I don't think we're going to change our views over the Iraq war over this. As far as I'm concerned being against it at the time and being opposed to Blair's handling of it (or too young to have been around politically) is an absolute necessity.

You can argue the pros and cons of international law all you like but blair chose to go down the UN route and then did his usual dishonest crap all over it. KS called it out and he gets lots of credit for it in my book.

Perhaps it's the accent but he reminds me of Charles Kennedy (this is a good thing).

Murray's a good lad. The fact that Scottish Labour's Corbynista leader can't find it in himself to endorse him, despite the fact he is the only Scottish Labour MP left and he has managed to keep increasing his majority, can only be taken as a good thing.

I'm sure you managed to fit in a pint in the Queens while you were there.

I have a mate who gives guitar and piano lessons there and has the area pretty much locked up. He says most of the houses he goes to have a prominent pristine condition chess set, though people generally admit they don't play. Crouch End has become that sort of place.

Nope, just ice cream

Couldn't swear to it but pretty sure that's the only time I've been to Crouch End in my life and I'm certain I've never been to a pub there.