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I don't think we're going to change our views over the Iraq war over this. As far as I'm concerned being against it at the time and being opposed to Blair's handling of it (or too young to have been around politically) is an absolute necessity.

You can argue the pros and cons of international law all you like but blair chose to go down the UN route and then did his usual dishonest crap all over it. KS called it out and he gets lots of credit for it in my book.

At any point when debating international law, the most important thing to remember is that there is no such thing as international law.

There is a thing called international law, but it has very little in common with laws as we know them in every day life. It is an optional set of agreements bound by consent, nothing else. It is the ultimate playground politics: The biggest bullies enjoy freedom, everybody else hunkers down.

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02-04-2020 , 08:06 AM

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Nope, just ice cream

Couldn't swear to it but pretty sure that's the only time I've been to Crouch End in my life and I'm certain I've never been to a pub there.

If you're there again - Grade 2 listed Art Nouveau stained glass windows.

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02-04-2020 , 08:51 PM

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that is a fancy looking 'spoons.

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02-05-2020 , 10:27 AM

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Most M.Ps are well-meaning but Abbott is one of the few who is not. Consistently appalling person.

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02-05-2020 , 01:50 PM

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that is a fancy looking 'spoons.

I can assure you, that place isn't charging 'spoons prices.

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02-05-2020 , 02:24 PM

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and it's a beer list designed for people who think craft beer is trendy rather than those who actually like beer.

Almost worth going to crouch end so that I can enjoy avoiding it.

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02-05-2020 , 04:18 PM

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There's always Kronenbourg for headbangers like you to listen to your Oi music.

I thought you might appreciate a pub with unusual architecture - obviously not.

Back into your 'spoons you go.

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02-05-2020 , 05:03 PM

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Plenty of pubs with very interesting and unusual architecture but architecture to beer in a pub is like presentation skills to policy in a politician.

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headbangers like you

I was a hippy before. Headbanging hippie is marginally less wrong. Are you sophisticated enough to get anywhere close? Or grown up enough not to care?

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02-05-2020 , 06:32 PM

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Well, Vladimir Putin certainly never gets into any trouble. Even after the UN idiotically handed him a list of co-ordinates of all the hospitals in Idlib, so he could supposedly avoid bombing them, and of course he went straight out and bombed the lot, he got into no trouble at all.

Richard Burgon, meanwhile, has a brilliant proposal to give Labour Party members a legal veto over any military action by the British government. And I just don't see what could possibly go wrong with that.

https://labourlist.org/2020/02/burgo...litary-action/

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02-06-2020 , 05:14 AM

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Burgon has doubled down on that, which is ****ing unbelievable given that it is really, really terrible.

Also, it is another good day for the SNP: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51397956

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02-06-2020 , 07:17 AM

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Astonishing Labour's policy of choosing Dick Burgon and Barry Gardiner as their top two surrogates didn't work out.

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02-06-2020 , 07:31 AM

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Burgon has doubled down on that, which is ****ing unbelievable given that it is really, really terrible.

Also, it is another good day for the SNP: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51397956

For a holier-than-thou party they do seem to have an awful lot of scandals. I actually thought he had resigned for misleading parliament over the ongoing ferry scandal so this is a bit of a surprise.

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02-06-2020 , 07:41 AM

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**** me, the wheels have really come off for labour.

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02-06-2020 , 08:02 AM

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For a holier-than-thou party they do seem to have an awful lot of scandals. I actually thought he had resigned for misleading parliament over the ongoing ferry scandal so this is a bit of a surprise.

Even Nippy is going to struggle to pin this one on Westminster.

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02-06-2020 , 08:05 AM

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Even Nippy is going to struggle to pin this one on Westminster.

It’s all the work of MI5 according to the cybernats.

Sturgeon is currently getting questioned on it at FMQs

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02-06-2020 , 08:12 AM

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It’s all the work of MI5 according to the cybernats.

Sturgeon is currently getting questioned on it at FMQs

lol

I dare say she'll opt for "nothing to do with me, guv" and launch him under the nearest bus. After that she can go back to standard operating procedure.

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02-06-2020 , 08:18 AM

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I see that Salma Yaqoob didn't get the Labour nomination to be their West Midlands Mayor.

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02-06-2020 , 08:28 AM

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Did they think she was Jewish?

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02-06-2020 , 08:43 AM

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While it would have been better for her to win the nomination and lose the mayoral election, the new leader must immediately expel her from the party. Corbyn breaking Labour's rules to endorse a racist, homophobic slut-shaming liar was disgraceful.

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02-06-2020 , 08:54 AM

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lol

I dare say she'll opt for "nothing to do with me, guv" and launch him under the nearest bus. After that she can go back to standard operating procedure.

Which is true isn't it or was this known about for some time? We can't be responsible for this sort of conduct by others unless we know about it.

She could call the electricity board (odd joke from a certain era)

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02-06-2020 , 09:42 AM

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I don't know, but for a not particularly large political party, the SNP seems to have a fair amount of stuff like this going on. Salmond's behaving improperly wasn't exactly a well-kept secret, yet neither Sturgeon nor her husband seem to have been too keen on taking it on.

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02-06-2020 , 09:50 AM

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You take a group of power seeking people and there's going to be a few. I don't see anything unusual about the SNP is this regard.

Fair criticism if there's a lack of action once it's known about but that has to be it. There are no genius's who can tell in real life and it could be anyone (although mostly men)

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02-06-2020 , 11:46 AM

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lol

I dare say she'll opt for "nothing to do with me, guv" and launch him under the nearest bus. After that she can go back to standard operating procedure.

She was asked if the SNP had been in touch with the boy or his family and replied that they don’t have their contact details. If only she knew someone who did...

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02-06-2020 , 01:03 PM

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YThere are no genius's who can tell in real life and it could be anyone (although mostly men)

Some people are ****ing obvious eg Savile.

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02-06-2020 , 01:20 PM

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No doubt lots of things are very obvious to you jalfrezi but not everyone has your ability to know things about people as well as you do.

In the case of saville (and many others) some people did have knowledge of what was going on and they are very justifiably open to criticism and more.

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