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01-19-2020 , 03:33 AM
lol at the Karie Murphy nomination. Corbyn is ****ing rancid.
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01-19-2020 , 05:19 AM
From the right wing of the tory party to labour peer.

Bercow has another use in rebutting the idiots who say no-one ever changes.
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01-19-2020 , 07:04 AM
From spending four and half years covering up for anti-Semites to nominating the queen of covering up for anti-Semites to the Lords.

Corbyn once again rebutting the clowns who says he some sort of anti-racist.

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01-19-2020 , 07:19 AM
Okay

From far right wing extremist tory to nominated for peerage by labour

Bercow has another use in rebutting the idiots who say no-one ever changes.
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01-19-2020 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoopie1
lol at the Karie Murphy nomination. Corbyn is ****ing rancid.
Lord Bew's House of Lords Appointments Commission should be duty-bound to consult the EHRC, since they are currently investigating a serious scandal in which Murphy is a main actor, which makes it unlikely that Murphy's corrupt nomination could be approved. No one subject to that kind of statutory investigation should be eligible for a peerage and the recommendation should obviously never have been made. If it is approved, that will signal something seriously rotten in the state of Denmark.
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01-19-2020 , 03:12 PM
This is quite special, in the 'special needs' sense (see also Richard Burgon):- Corbynista Clive Lewis MP has literally never heard of Harold Wilson, whose 1966 majority was bigger than Johnson's is now, or of Tony Blair, whose 1997 majority was even bigger than the one gained by Clem in 1945. (Poor wee Clive, in the face of richly-deserved ridicule from Labour supporters with somewhat better intellectual equipment, has been trying to explain himself all day, and failing disastrously.)

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01-19-2020 , 03:27 PM
This is 1964, when I think Harold had just won a marginal majority of four. You can see who he's shaking hands with.

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01-19-2020 , 03:46 PM
White heat of technology!
Labour isn't working?
Get Brexit done!
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01-19-2020 , 03:52 PM
I think Lewis is saying that Wilson and Blair don't count as real Labour (or something).
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01-19-2020 , 03:59 PM
He is saying that about blair - quite correctly. He just doesn't know about Harold.
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01-20-2020 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
He is saying that about blair - quite correctly. He just doesn't know about Harold.
Tony Blair is the best prime minister we've had since Attlee, and you aren't. You are merely a cult-follower of the worst Labour leader in the history of the party, who has condemned the country to Tory rule for the indefinite future.

Glen O'Hara, history professor at Oxford Brookes, has this:-



Or, direct to blogpost:-

http://publicpolicypast.blogspot.com...o-now.html?m=1

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It was, without doubt, Labour’s top team that turned a possible defeat into a rout. You can’t go into an election led by the most unpopular major party leader in the entirety of British polling history and expect to get anywhere. But Labour members decided to stick with their totem, come what may – fervent, for the most part, in their support for a totally inappropriate Mr Grumpy with more baggage than British Airways. He lied and he lied and he lied, on issues big and small, outside and inside the Labour Party, and indeed at times it was possible to believe that he could not open his mouth without an untruth escaping. We’d make a list, but to be honest it would probably bust all those servers on which we’re relying. By 12 December it appeared that he might turn up in a mask and call himself Ceremy Jorbyn. Well, it caught up with him in the end.

But it wasn’t just Jeremy Corbyn that did Labour in. With a few honourable exceptions, the rest of the Shadow Cabinet was composed of a seriously strange group of oddballs from whom the electorate ran a mile. For some devil-may-care reason known only to themselves, the Labour Party decided to flood the airwaves with footage of Barry Gardiner, a caricature of black-and-white Flash Gordon villains lacking only the moustache-twirling believability of the original, and Richard Burgon – Richard Burgon! – a man who quite frankly makes the Cookie Monster look plausible. Although, on reflection, that’s not really very fair to the Big C-Mon. Rule one: just put out some spokes who aren’t complete whackjobs.
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01-20-2020 , 03:29 PM
Give up. Our dear friend chez is more interested in losing elections with an ideologically pure though unelectable leader than winning them with a credible soft left or centre left leader (though Blair fits none of these categories).
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01-20-2020 , 03:36 PM
And here's the Corbynite candidate for deputy leader.

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01-20-2020 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Give up. Our dear friend chez is more interested in losing elections with an ideologically pure though unelectable leader than winning them with a credible soft left or centre left leader (though Blair fits none of these categories).
Oppositionalism, or as Clem called it impossibilism, is indeed very much a thing. Corbyn in Trafalgar Square the other day, demonstrating his solidarity with the mad mullahs of Tehran because he thinks they're 'anti-imperialist' like good old Uncle Ho of 1968 fame, being a case in point.
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01-20-2020 , 04:18 PM
Burgon's deputy-leader rival Dr Rosena Allin-Khan, on the other hand... I don't suppose she'll win (it'll probably be Angela Rayner), but she's quite interesting. Click for full article.

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01-20-2020 , 06:06 PM
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Give up. Our dear friend chez is more interested in losing elections with an ideologically pure though unelectable leader than winning them with a credible soft left or centre left leader (though Blair fits none of these categories).
Just plain lies mate.

If you want some quality music you could just ask for it.
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01-20-2020 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Tony Blair is the best prime minister we've had since Attlee, and you aren't.
You are at least correct to say that I'm not the best prime minister we've had since Attlee.

Not sure that was ever in dispute.
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01-21-2020 , 05:15 AM
Lisa Nandy is smart, clever and thoughtful. She’ll never be Labour leader

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university newspaper. “The only solution is to quit the manhunt and wait till after uni when you’re back among normal people.” She also posed in what the Mail on Sunday described as a “steamy photo casebook” in bed with another woman. All this makes me like her even more than I already do, and I like her a lot. I may as well say that now, as she is not seen as a big contender in the Labour leadership contest. But she and Jess Phillips seem like people with lives I can relate to.

I don’t have a dog in the contest – not even a miniature poodle – and am aghast at how long it is going to take. Is Jeremy Corbyn simply going to sulk in situ until April? Keir Starmer is safe and dull, and should pass the mic. And Rebecca Long-Bailey seems to be offering more of the same, unable to recognise or accept the absolute failure of Corbynism.

Phillips’ radical honesty is wonderful, but only Clive Lewis (now out of the race) and Nandy, the contest’s only remaining BAME candidate, seem to have any real idea about how big the changes need to be for the party to win back power.

Nandy does not want to overthrow capitalism, but she clearly understands that our institutions are not for purpose. The answer does not lie in more centralisation.

“The belief that a remote, monolithic state can solve our problems flies in the face of the reality for those people who most feel the absence of power,” she says. When Nandy talks, you feel she has listened to what her leave-voting constituents have said. Actually listened.

She stood up to Andrew Neil and, while I don’t agree with all her positions, I can see her making the alliances that need to be made.

Smart, clever, thoughtful. Slyly very funny. And a woman who has lived. Will they pick her? Of course not.
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01-21-2020 , 08:12 AM
Nandy has been impressive so far.
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01-21-2020 , 11:50 AM
Jess Phillips has pulled out of the contest and the odious Owen Jones posts an article that can only be described as utter shite

https://medium.com/@OwenJones84/jess...e-cd81c602264e
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01-21-2020 , 01:55 PM
Low, even for squealer.
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01-21-2020 , 02:00 PM
I'm not quite as negative on JP as he is (and even he acknowledges some good stuff) but seemed like a generally good article to me.
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01-21-2020 , 02:15 PM
Labour members don't come out of this very well. First, about a quarter of them have never heard of Clem Attlee. And second, the Tories would rank their favourite and least favourite Labour leaders in much the same order.



(As ever, it's simplest if you just regard Corbyn, who has achieved nothing but failure, as a Tory plant. He isn't, but he might as well be.)
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01-21-2020 , 02:47 PM
JFC Corbyn is above John Smith. WTF
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01-21-2020 , 03:23 PM
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JFC Corbyn is above John Smith. WTF
Not really, that's why approval ratings like this are usually expressed net. Corbyn would have a score of +42 (71-29) whereas John Smith would have +60 (67-7), and Clement Atlee would have +63 (66-3). Corbyn is also just after Miliband who has +43, so he's in fourth place overall.

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