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01-18-2020 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
The irony of Twitter exploding in a virtue signalling hypocritical cacophony about something completely inconsequential also perfectly sums up remainers tho.
Remainers have complained mainly about leaving the EU. That is not completely inconsequential.
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01-18-2020 , 04:55 AM
Inconsequential describes the specific anti-democrats within the remainer hardcore perfectly now, thank goodness.
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01-18-2020 , 05:40 AM
Whether leavers have a big party is as close to inconsequential as we can get. Of course some will, just as the scots nats would have a huge party if they get independence by a tiny margin.

Decent people are less inclined to run the losers faces in it (which big ben bonging would be imo) but I can't begrudge those who want to celebrate their victory, which is momentous.
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01-18-2020 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
So Remainers are the kind of people who think WWII isn't relevant to our national identity?

Keep going with this, victory is in sight.
Wondering why someone who moved abroad cares so much about the UK's national identity.
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01-18-2020 , 09:21 AM
This whole Big Ben thing shows just how much some folk have lost their tiny minds. It's incredible.
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01-18-2020 , 09:25 AM
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01-18-2020 , 10:51 AM
Yep. I'll definitely be having a happy drink at 11:00pm 31st Jan to see out the EU dark days and see in the future, but don't give a **** about a big celebration.

So relieved we're uncoupling ourselves from that anti-democratic juggernaut bit by bit, and this is a fairly big step away.
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01-18-2020 , 11:05 AM
Originally from the Brexit thread:

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi View Post
I'm hearing some very interesting things (unable to cite source, but it's authoritative):

Starting with the fairly obvious:

GE 2019 more likely than not
3rd and 4th May vote likely/possible


Then less obviously...

If the Letwin/Cooper/Boles amendment passes, Letwin is effectively PM

In a Tory party leadership campaign, expectation is that two candidates to go into the head-to head would both be Brexiters.


Probability of Tory party de-selections is high.

Revocation of Article 50 is extremely unlikely.

Varadkar will face a vote of no confidence as soon as Brexit is over.

No. 10's time horizon is 48 hours at best (maybe this should be in the "obvious" section).

Fixed Term Parliament Act is a problem and will be for future PMs.

Article 50 extension will be granted as long as big countries get behind it (smaller countries will succumb to their influence).

Not a VONC but...

Varadkar calls election on 8th February


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The Irish taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, has called a general election for 8 February, triggering a campaign that is expected to focus on his government’s record on public services, housing, Brexit and the climate crisis.

Varadkar briefed his cabinet and opposition leaders on Tuesday morning and made a public statement before travelling to Phoenix Park to ask the president, Michael D Higgins, to dissolve the 32nd Dáil. The president signed the proclamation shortly before 2pm.

Addressing the media at Government Buildings in Dublin, Varadkar said it had been a privilege to serve the country and that a short campaign would let a new government swiftly tackle urgent issues.

“I always said that the election should happen at the best time for the country. Now is that time,” he said.

He lauded the government’s record on Brexit, social equality, jobs and poverty reduction but admitted more needed to be done.

“Many people don’t feel the strength of our economy in their pockets and they don’t see it in their payslips or in their towns and parishes. We have a plan for fairer taxes – for future jobs and for rural Ireland – to put that right.”

Varadkar claimed “real headway” on climate action and the environment despite Ireland facing fines for missing carbon emission targets. “We’re no longer a laggard but we are still far from being a leader. We have much to do.”

For the first time since 1918 the election will take place on a Saturday – and coincide with a Six Nations rugby match against Wales at the Aviva stadium. Varadkar said a weekend poll would make it easier for students to vote and avert closure of schools used as polling stations.

An election had been expected. Varadkar’s Fine Gael party leads a minority administration reliant on dwindling support from independent TDs (Irish MPs) plus a nearly expired confidence and supply agreement with the main opposition party, Fianna Fáil.

Opinion polls closely match Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil, both centrist parties. Neither is within range of a majority so the winner will be whichever party succeeds in forming a viable coalition with smaller parties after the election.

Varadkar and the Fianna Fáil leader, Micheál Martin, have both ruled out going into government with Sinn Féin. That leaves the Labour party, the Greens and a clutch of leftwing groups and independents as potential partners.

The Green party’s success in European and council elections last year, plus youth-led climate protests, has prompted Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil to tout environmental credentials.

As Ireland’s first gay prime minister and the son of an Indian immigrant, Varadkar attracted global attention when he took office in June 2017, aged just 37.

He did so not via a general election but by succeeding Enda Kenny, who stepped down as taoiseach and leader of Fine Gael after winning elections in 2011 and 2016.

Varadkar earned widespread praise in Ireland for rallying European Union support behind the backstop, a mechanism to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland, during Brexit negotiations with the UK. His meeting with Boris Johnson in Liverpool last October paved the way to an eventual deal.

Liberals also applauded Varadkar for his role in a 2018 referendum that legalised abortion, a milestone in Ireland’s transformation from a socially conservative Catholic society to secularism and and pluralism.

Fine Gael will fight the election on its record on Brexit and the economy, which has bounced back from the Celtic Tiger crash with high growth rates, near-full employment and bountiful tax revenues swollen by tech giants.

However, the party risks voter fatigue – it has ruled for almost a decade. And it has presided over crises in housing and health.

A shortage of accommodation in Dublin and other cities and towns has sent rents rocketing, forced many people to make long commutes and others to live in shelters or on the streets.

The government has failed to tame a dysfunctional health service that swallows huge resources but produces patchy results, with record numbers of patients languishing on trolleys.

Unexpectedly huge costs for a children’s hospital and national broadband have hit the government’s claim of competent financial stewardship.

Martin, the Fianna Fáil leader, said Fine Gael had failed and that it was time for a change of government.

He said: “Housing prices and housing rents are simply far too high and there is a deep, deep crisis of homelessness right across every level of housing. In health, again, we have a very serious crisis in terms of emergency departments and in terms of people waiting far too long for operations and procedures and for outpatient departments.”

Eamon Ryan, the Green party leader, said the next administration would need to chart “substantive” changes to transport, energy, agriculture and industry to meet climate targets.
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01-18-2020 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Whether leavers have a big party is as close to inconsequential as we can get.
I will go down to my local and have a pint of bitter
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01-18-2020 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Yep. I'll definitely be having a happy drink at 11:00pm 31st Jan to see out the EU dark days and see in the future, but don't give a **** about a big celebration.

So relieved we're uncoupling ourselves from that anti-democratic juggernaut bit by bit, and this is a fairly big step away.
I was unaware the last 40 years of your life had been so terrible. I hope the reduction in living standards that awaits the nation will bring you happiness.

You must have been on suicide watch about the whole Zac Goldsmith thing.
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01-18-2020 , 12:53 PM
My life's been very good, thanks for worrying about it. But the UK not being in the harness for the EU wagon makes it a bit better cos I'm a really big advocate for democratic process and government judged by their actions and thrown out if not delivering, thanks.
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01-18-2020 , 02:16 PM
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My life's been very good, thanks for worrying about it. But the UK not being in the harness for the EU wagon makes it a bit better cos I'm a really big advocate for democratic process and government judged by their actions and thrown out if not delivering, thanks.
So we have gone from "dark days" to you being "a big advocate for democratic process". This is strange, as not long ago you didn't care about anything but negotiating our own trade deals.

Like I said, as a big advocate for democratic process you have been very quiet about the Goldsmith and Morgan situations.
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01-18-2020 , 02:51 PM
A government being allowed to negotiate its own trade deals, and being beholden to the voters, is more democratic than what the EU does right now, don't you think?


I have no idea what the Goldsmith and Morgan situation is, whatever you're on about. I'll take a guess that it's some remainer trigger that doesn't matter to most people who don't live in a remainer bubble.
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01-18-2020 , 03:05 PM
So you have broadened your scope? Because you only gave a **** about trade deals, now it is all democratic process.

I would explain about Morgan and Goldsmith but you probably wouldn't understand.
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01-18-2020 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
So Remainers are the kind of people who think WWII isn't relevant to our national identity?
People old enough to remember the Second World War overwhelmingly voted Remain. So did I, and three men in my family died flying for the RAF against the Third Reich. And you don't even live here, so it's none of your damned business.
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01-18-2020 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
I have no idea what the Goldsmith and Morgan situation is, whatever you're on about.
Which shows how little you know or care about our democratic processes. Goldsmith and Morgan are both former Tory MPs now in the House of Lords. Goldsmith was defeated at the last election and Morgan, having been promised a peerage, didn't bother to stand. Both are Johnson cronies who have gone back on previous undertakings they made to the public. (Goldsmith said he'd never submit to an undemocratic process, Morgan said she'd never serve in a Johnson government.) That clear now?
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01-18-2020 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
I will go down to my local and have a pint of bitter
That's called 'Friday' for most people. Or 'Tuesday'

I will probably have a drink as well. Won go down the Wetherspoons on that day though. There's only so much even I can take.
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01-18-2020 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
I have no idea what the Goldsmith and Morgan situation is, whatever you're on about. I'll take a guess that it's some remainer trigger that doesn't matter to most people who don't live in a remainer bubble.
It came up a while ago because we had a conversation about unelected appointees in the EU. i pointed out that we did that here as well, even including cabinet ministers. You said not for along time. Now we have two.

Nothing particularly undemocratic about it - far more powerful positions are held by PM appointment. On a scale of big been bongs, it rates about 3 bongs. People pretending to be furious about it is amusing.
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01-18-2020 , 06:53 PM
ahh, Nicky Morgan, I should have realised, she was my MP after all . People care about that?

Sounds like some self-manufactured excuse to whine to me. Loads of ex-MPs get lordships, don't they?
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01-18-2020 , 07:44 PM
Peerages are common. The issue, if there is one, is with them being cabinet ministers despite not being elected
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01-18-2020 , 09:50 PM
Jess Phillips knows this guarantees she won't win the leadership election but does it anyway, more power to her. She should call out names (*cough* Rebecca Long-Bailey *cough*) but still, chapeau.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...t-antisemitism
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01-18-2020 , 09:55 PM


Karie Murphy?!?!?!?!
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01-18-2020 , 09:58 PM
What is the vetting procedure for the Lords?
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01-19-2020 , 02:30 AM
omg anyone but Bercow. Please let him never be in the public eye again, or at the most the pipsqueak needs to be relegated to breakfast telly and Loose Women, and that's about it.

Last edited by diebitter; 01-19-2020 at 02:36 AM.
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01-19-2020 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
ahh, Nicky Morgan, I should have realised, she was my MP after all . People care about that?

Sounds like some self-manufactured excuse to whine to me. Loads of ex-MPs get lordships, don't they?
I was right when I said you wouldn't understand.
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