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Originally Posted by lozen
I do believe I heard it on a Piers Morgan debate. But I googled it and there have been studies.
Lets also remember for progressive countries in Europe have halted any treatment of children due to a lack of long term results and children regretting their transitions and sadly you cant glue the parts back on
https://gidreform.wordpress.com/2014...ence-research/
Oh. So this thing you stated as fact, is something you "do believe I heard it on a Piers Morgan debate". I see.
As for your links, the first is to some article about guns, and the second is to a study that says:
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Conclusions
(1) Evidence from these studies suggests that the majority of gender nonconforming children are not gender dysphoric adolescents or adults.
(2) It does not support the stereotype that most children who are actually gender dysphoric will “desist” in their gender identities before adolescence.
(3) These studies do acknowledge that intense anatomic dysphoria in childhood may be associated with persistent gender dysphoria and persistent gender identity through adolescence.
(4) Speculation that allowing childhood social transition traps cisgender youth in roles that are incongruent with their identities is not supported by evidence.
(5) These studies fail to examine the diagnostic value of Real Life Experience in congruent gender roles for gender dysphoric children.
In other words, the opposite of your stated "fact", LOL.
But yes, there have been studies that claim a high rate of desistance. The methodology of said studies is very much in question, but there is another consideration - even if true, does it matter?
The clinical irrelevance of “desistance” research for transgender and gender creative youth.
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Three arguments undermining the relevance of desistance research are presented. Drawing on a variety of concerns, the article highlights that “desistance” does not provide reasons against prepubertal social transition or peripubertal medical transition, that transition for “desisters” is not comparably harmful to delays for trans youth, and that the wait-and-see and corrective models of care are harmful to youth who will grow up cis.
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The allegedly high rate of “desistance” among transgender youth has garnered public interest in recent years. This article explains why worries about trans children overwhelmingly changing their mind later are unjustified, showing that desistance research doesn’t offer sound reasons to oppose or delay gender-affirming care.
And what do the numbers tell us?
Putting numbers on the rise in children seeking gender care
The study "draws on full or partial health insurance claims for about 330 million U.S. patients over the five years from 2017 to 2021, including patients covered by private health plans and public insurance like Medicaid."
88,389 youth diagnosed with gender dysphoria in the three years from 2019-2021.
10,430 initiated hormone therapy.
3,388 initiated puberty blocker treatment.
776 children 13-17 underwent masectomies.
56 children 13-17 underwent genital surgery.
So, even if we take some studies of 80% of kids "grow out of it or end up gay or lesbian", that leaves us with over 17,000 who do not. Given the numbers above, is it possible that doctors, psychologists, and parents are getting it right? Perhaps there is some rigour to ensure that more extreme measures like surgery are only being done in extreme cases where it's very clear that it would be beneficial to the child?
I think it's fair to question things like surgery on kids, and make sure we're doing the right thing. 832 kids undergoing surgery, even though it's less than 1% of kids with gender dysphoria, is still 832 kids whose lives we want to ensure we aren't making worse. But we also need to understand that there isn't some epidemic of kids being allowed to "castrate or mutilate themselves" on a whim, and maybe sweeping laws from legislators who have little understanding of the issue aren't always the best response.