Right. Because there was no level playing field to begin with.

Oh, I see. You didn't realize that this thread is about Title IX and school sports. Not little kid rec leagues.

Did you not realize threads can be about more than 1 narrow topic?

Seems like if you were going to base your argument here on a single factoid then this would be a reasonable one to do so with.

JFC did you even think before typing this?

name one sport that hundreds of teenage men couldn't beat the best women itw at. One.

I'm pretty sure there are some gymnastic events. But I can't think of much else.

lol, which one? None.

Oh so clever! Nobody had figured that out before and really needed those guys on the internet who love to tell us over and over and over and over again how much more dominant men are than women. Keep telling us!

Surely you can come up with a reason why accepting a few trans people on girls teams is completely different from getting rid of gendered teams entirely! And indeed, the fact that trans people are pretty rare is fairly important here. If those worst nightmares of the anti-trans folks were right and the entire grade 9 girls team was populated with trans people, I'd be right with them. But it won't be.

Ah yes, another guy who really likes to tell us how much stronger biological males are over females. I wonder if this particular obsession is related to all the sports bros who will only sit on the couch and watch male sports leagues on the TV?

The "it's the sexists trying to preserve women's sports" is an interesting approach for sure

this is amazing

Oh, I don't think the primary animus of most of these anti-trans laws is about preserving anything, regardless of how the anti-trans people try to frame their, uh, "arguments".

Well, as you seem to never address this reality, it's no wonder people keep reintroducing the concept when discussing why females and males compete in separate categories.

Your own stereotype of sports bro is pretty ridiculous too, as the most vocal people arguing against your position are female college athletes.

It's certainly logical that being trans confers an advantage. But so do a lot of other things. Sports aren't fair. And while I have been banned from other forums for offering that perhaps there should be restrictions at the highest levels, HS is not that level.

Is what I said wrong? You also mentioned a while back in a back and forth with Cuepee that hormonal therapy levels the playing field. I am saying it does not at all.


I lift weights 6 days a week and I am a gym rat. If I was a complete couch potato would I be more wrong?

Unstuck?

Are you banned from up?

The way our partisan politics are divided along various culture war topics does indeed create some unusual bedfellows. In this case, the Republican right being the champion of creating a safe space for biological woman in sports.

An even more unusual pairing is the progressive left and political Islam. For example, there have been a few cases of women from Islamic countries escaping horrible sexual abusive situations (including genital mutilation) and trying to become advocates for the millions of other women in their home countries facing similar abuse and torture, and the response from the progressive left towards them is generally indifference at best and often open hostility.

In a vacuum one would assume the progressive left would be anti sexual abuse and torture, yet in this case they aren't. A curious case indeed.

Fascists Ghana fascist

Of course it is literally the sexists trying to preserve women's sports-- as those individuals believe in the primacy of sex over "gender" and thus they are sexists in the same way that those who believe that race is everything are racists. (Although perhaps a better term there is racialist)

The mental gymnastics that went into this post amazes me

Seems pretty standard but thank you.

In a similar note, in a recent podcast Brett Weinstein made the argument that the progressive trans ideology is actually extremely regressive in respect to gender roles and gender stereotypes. 20 years ago progressives used to argue that biological females could (and should) push gender norm boundaries and still could retain their femininity. With the trans progressive movement the implication is that gender roles are fixed, and if your behavior isn't typical of your assigned gender at birth, you may have been assigned the wrong gender, and should explore taking drugs and undergoing surgeries to conform your phenotype to the fixed gender role you identify with.

(I am paraphrasing, and he articulated it better, but I am sure you get the gist)