That question has nothing to do with the point I was making in this thread. My issue is with the people in the thread, not proud boys, or even antifa, really.

Once again, my point is that people supporting, apologizing, condoning, and/or trivializing vigilante violence is sick, and it's no denying there is evidence of this, in this thread. Everyone else who has engaged me wants me to answer questions about proud boys, which has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

From near the bottom of the previous page, any response Victor?

You want to talk about condemning protest against fascism based largely on made-up violence painting an entire movement. You are demanding an out-of-proportion response from posters here. You don't want to talk about the much more prevalent right-wing political violence. Did I miss your ****ing nuance?

I'm not asking this rhetorically: Was it sick when so many rejoiced in Richard Spencer being punched and linked it to pics of Capt America punching Nazis?

Minimizing racist thugs by focusing all your attention on antifa is sick.

I'm not condemning silence.

In case it's not clear, I'm condemning you, among others.

And by the way, I want to see the evidence re the woman who got her neck broken. I'll condemn that action by PP, if we see it was not self defense by PP. My gut feel is that is was unprovoked violence, and a terrible thing. But I read the article suzzer linked by thestranger and it did not include the evidence. So far I have only seen suzzer's claim that it happened, but it is probably out there. Even a first hand statement by the victim would be good.

Why wouldn't we just call out the bad actors on both sides?

Calling out Antifa does not mean we are ignoring the racist ******* with a gun in El Paso.

And in case it wasn’t clear my post was directed squarely at you.

A woman got her neck broken in an unprovoked attack and you support the attackers by focusing all your energy on Anitha - who roughed up Andy Ngo in retaliation. Andy who could’ve saved that woman from permanent injury. That’s sick. Really sick.

Yes. All that does is make people feel better, until the next ******* that gets punched, and this time it's not a racist, but some other idiot parroting socially unpopular crap. It also provokes a response. Why turn a racist into a victim?

I rather you just say you explicitly support political violence against speech you do not like, and I can tell you why that's bad. You are not being silent. You are fist pumping violence.

I mean I hear that and it's true, but it's also true that hyping up Antifa is a deliberate tactic just like hyping up MS 13 was. The governor of Texas the day before the shooting put out an email saying that people should defend against illegal immigrants even if it means taking things into their own hands, and then the day after warned Antifa not to come to El Paso because the derposphere made up some stuff about Antifa sieging El Paso.

It's fine calling them out but things got to stay in perspective, Antifa is not a major source of violence and really doesn't have much potential to be. In the grand scheme of things they're just small fry.

This is the guy always crying about people not getting his nuance, twisting his meaning, and taking his posts out of context.

You just enjoy making things up don’t you? The attack on Andy Ngo was a retaliation for a girl getting her neck broken. This is two groups feuding and has absolutely nothing to do with violence against speech they don’t like.

You’ve ignored everything I posted in this thread to that effect. It’s clear that you want to maintain willful ignorance about what is actually going on in Portland.

My issue is not people being silent about antifa. It's that Suzzer99, and others vocally trilvizing, condone, and/or justify the vigilante violence. Suzzer99 is trying to paint me as the bad guy by deflecting against my imagined silence when it comes to other violent actions, by other groups. He is essentially saying his support for political violence is okay becasue I have not been vocal about these other groups (despite me repeatedly saying these groups are violent and just as intolerable), and his support for the violence is okay since the target of the violence is people saying stuff he does not like.

No, you keep trying to argue antifa in a vacuum of one incident, to avoid the previously broad statement that you made about not being concerned with antifa violence becasue they target racist. I have the high ground on this, no matter how much you want to justify, condone, trivialize, and/or ignore political vigilante violence.

Richard Spencer said it’s no fun to speak in public anymore. I call that a win for the minorities that he wants to exterminate.

That they target racist is one reason, the other reason is there aren’t that many of them and almost all the stuff is going on in Portland. They present no threat, and threads like this only exists to create the illusion that they do.

I know you willfully won’t understand any of that and will just come back with the exact same response. Have fun.

This mischaracterizes suzzer's position and actions. Why are you lying again? I'm willing to bet suzzer would have no problem with you shutting the **** up, period. The problem is you want to cherry pick what to shut the **** up about within the scope of the issue.

Condemnation from someone who consistently defends groups that are both racist and commit violent crimes means absolutely ****ing nothing.

OK. I agree that violence by racist *******s has been more and worse than the violence by Antifa. Now what?

I'm still interested in Antifa. I remember a guy with a bike lock. I researched that myself. Clear Antifa violence. Juan listed an old dude getting stomped. I haven't researched the old dude story.

I still want to know if Antifa is committing violence against people. If yes, against whom? Are those victims ALL racist *******s? If yes, I will care less. Then we would have the punch a Nazi convo, but if not all of their victims are racist, then I care a lot.

I don't know the story about the gov of Texas. Maybe someone should detail that. I don't know.

Again, I'm interested in Antifa. Who are they attacking? That their name is ANTI-FACIST doesn't do it for me.

The connection to me personally is obvious, are they attacking only racists, or are they attacking non-racist conservatives too? Probably the same for other conservatives on this forum. That IS the question. Analyzing Antifa actions and the victims of any of their violence is the point. Would they physically attack some like me for demonstrating in support of my beliefs?

Political vigilante violence is a threat to democracy, no matter who it targets, or who it's from.

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Maybe you should read some more, and get the context and nuance.

It’s fairly bad argument to try to get people to say what you expect them to say. When you say political violence in reference to people who get pumped up to dominate delicate snowflakes and cucks, you invite those violent ideologies into politics.

Try reading the first page of this thread. The broken neck issue is brought up then and it will give you a starting point instead of this laziness. You'll also note that plenty of people explicitly state that violence is bad.