I would jump at the offer if I was actually able to clear my full balance (8k), even if it would take years since I'm not going out of my way to play games I wouldn't normally. But as has been pointed out, by accepting the deal you essentially forfeit almost two thirds of your balance since you could be getting 36% rakeback anyway AND you have to work off your balance. Still a close decision due to the unlikelihood of being paid another way...

Anyway, I just think everyone needs to recognize that what they are being offered is ~.35 on the dollar and a playthrough requirement, not just a playthrough requirement.

Thing is, if they would just let you use your WHOLE balance and only let you cash out the rakeback, I'd be grinding my ass off. But they have offered me $250 of my 51k balance to play with, so that I would be having to deposit even more to be even able to play. And well, I'm not going to do that for obvious reasons.

Oh, seriously? I assumed it was a set fraction of the balance. I figured I'd get about 1k. That makes it less appealing to me, but infinitely less appealing to you.

If they gave me like 10k I'd be playing and generating rake like mad. I wouldn't even mind losing because I'd be getting at least some of my money back. But $250 makes no sense.

LOL @ This...............

Are you serious, Why are we accepting any play through requirements it's our god dam money ! You understand you can get 36% Rakeback anyway through the right affiliate. So really you getting very little Extra. it would be acceptable if we could use our Win Cake balance at the site! I get offered " Free" $500 for $170,000 bank roll. What a ****ing JOKE !

Matt

So WinCake doesn't have the money, otherwise the withdrawal report of the last two years would have been different. And now another site appears to be taking those customers over and offers them a play through deal. Yet, somehow people expect to get all their money for free from that new site that won't have anything to show for in this case? It doesn't matter if you think that proposed deal is fair or not (nobody is forcing you to accept it), but if you day dream about freerolling a site like this, you have lost any sense of reality.

I didn't accept the deal, but I at least have a grasp of how business works. And fwiw, what you are "getting extra" is the chance to redeem some of your balance while the odds of receiving any from it via WinCake are very low.

They're offering 0.35/dollar, how much did you pay for the majority of that $170k?

I agree Win Cake does not have the money but Intertops / Juicy stakes think they can just take over the network and NOT pay the players already owed money.... I know about business well I have 3 companies myself . Get money off site for free? It's our ****ing MONEY .............. Get that in your head. What a bad way to start the take over of the network and stealing players money to start with. And yes for your information I have not and WILL NOT be accepting any deal. You want me to deposit another $20,000 to a site that starts by stealing my money . Oh please.....................................

Matt

FYI There are not offering 0.35c on the dollar either. if you have had a Email regarding there deal, please read it again.

Matt

I am not sure where you have the info from about Intertops / Juicy Stakes taking over the network. They don't own it to any degree, from what I have been told their word simply weighs a bit more now. Feel free to share your "insider" knowledge to provide any kind of proof.

What about the same group of people just trying to freeroll the players. Would be brillant to erase some of the debt this way.

If you can not enforce the dept, it is no debt.

I think he means for WinCake to try to clear their debt to the players, instead of just walking away.

If u took or take the deal from wincake to juicy 55 %, they are offering, ur not getting much anything as u could use that money to play at wincake or opt to have a normal rb account on another skin and race. Maybe just the uk players may have a temporary or a permanent problem if not allowed to play.

I already used my wincake money to improve my game and i am busy enough in my life now and can play at some other sites also, rather than do racing. I additionally took a larger view and i think i should not whine too much about losing my money, though it wasnt easy to grind up in micros additionally to having ran major below ev during my poker career on this network and stars, dedicating a big part of the last two years for learning many forms of poker and playing hard, including heads up and super short. But it is not nothing when getting a 55 % rb, compared to eg. 888, that otherwise i like, where the rake is twice now what it is here.

Being a couple of k below where i should be isnt anything compared to improved skill, though it should be money in my wallet. My attitude has got tougher because of that, that might improve my scores a bit also as it cant be expected that money would come out of me as easily now, though i liked being looser, especially when i played with my wincake semimoney. But now it is mainly my money i am playing with plus playing against the players who had money on wincake, though it is not all bad, and no need to be the 6th best player at the table. Especially when not racing. It also doesnt mean one needs to play and play after this deal, though it can suck for bigger balances.

The players who dont or didnt take this deal have some shot of getting more or less of their money out, plus just using it to play with can be a better idea than basically donating all that money, u could make a good use of improving ur game with about zero risk and speed up ur progress.

If cakes are cut off the network, less good, and why they were not already, like lock was, dont know, but as they still are a part of the network, even when not paying even the other skins, that makes intertops to be less generous with rb in some cases. But there must be some hope, a reason they still are a part of this network, though it is now with a new network name.

What's happening with these skins/networks is classic example like what happened before. I started at ongame network with towergaming, that one day decided to be bought out by cake network (wincake back then), and transfer all my $ there and tell me they are really great, bla bla bla...

Two years later when I decided to finally do a cashout at wincake it decided not to process my funds and be bought out by other networks (juicy/intertops) and attempt to transfer my $ there, offering me some "great" deal, bla bla bla...

In meantime towergaming is no where to be found and soon wincake nowhere to be found either. See a pattern here? The people are still out there somewhere, but only under different names. The difference is they still are or already enjoyed our $ and they believe some law on some islands/countries or hiding behind this and that will cover their tracks...

The saddest truth is that a day will come if not already when some of those people they've victimized will go after them and not just after them but everyone else that has helped them in doing what they've been doing, and that includes those that are supposed to be doing their job when individuals like these choose to go criminal.

The punishment and price for committing crimes like these are long jail sentences at best with all possessions compensated and usually some brutal, gruesome murder at worst where their blood is drained out from their veins and their organs extracted that then are sold for $ if they really don't have the $ they've chosen to steal anymore.

The final question left to ask is "Was it worth ti?" For few hundred to thousand bucks? It's also not just cake network (wincake) and lock poker. There are far more networks out there today ruining the reputation of online poker by running these newer, sophisticated softwares where they track player losses and gains and set the cards for the outcome to keep some balance at while they are gaining $ from the rake.

A great poker player will recognize these networks quickly because there is only as much times one can go all in and be beaten with 5-10% odds on showdown on the river. If some skins are blocked in some countries or their licenses are expired at least be fortunate that your country is doing something to protect you from being scammed and robbed like in this case.

Truth is though this is in human nature. If people choose to entrust you with all of their $, to keep them in their vault/bank...and if there are for example 30-50 millions out there, wouldn't you take at least $10,000 for yourself, that seems like nothing even if it's not yours? Many individuals believe all those $ they were given to keep will never be fully required back one day and that is the first mistake of any criminal.

wtf

That post had a little of everything. Weird riggie stuff, human organ selling, vampirism, island bias, sentences that seem to suggest he would steal as well.

It was definitely "worth ti" to read...

NO BUT REALLY WTF

Bahahaha looks like kopogero hasn't changed at all, thank god I muted that weirdo. He is watching too many movies for sure.

Hello,

I have had inside information for quite a while until the network was purchased by juicy / Intertops. Now I have none as Intertops only kept minimal staff from the Win Cake days( pre take over ) I don't think you are silly enough to believe that you can have your Win Cake balance transferred to juicy stakes if they was not now the owner off the network . What would be the point off this from juicy / Intertops ? I wish them all the luck in the world as Intertops and juicy stakes are the only reputable poker sites left on the network . But they have gone about it the wrong way from taking on win cake balances and only paying them the extra 15% with play through requirements . I mean who in there right mind would want to deposit more money to a site who has just stole there balance just to get a very small percentage back if they have a balance bigger than $2,000.makes no sense ! As I said before let us move our full balance to the site and play with our money there with the play through requiems is OK. But to give us ( me $500) for 170k is joke ! And want me to deposit more off my money . Not going to happen......

Matt

It would be equally silly to "move" balances such as the $170,000 you mentioned, simply because they are not even covered by WinCake. And now you expect Intertops to provide the full amount and have an extremely high risk of possible fraud and chip dumping that comes along with it? That sounds very naive to say the least.

Intertops has not stolen any balance either, that "honor" belongs to WinCake.

I am also yet to see any evidence for your claim that Intertops / Juicy Stakes has purchased the network and now owns it.

I have declined the Juicy offer and they let me access to my Wincake account. The pending cash out have been canceled but my funds are there (it's been more than 2 years that I am waiting for my withdrawal I think) and people are playing there.

I will try to cash out via Skrill (have to create an account first) and I will let you know If something good happen.

I think we are kind of moving forward but still not see the color of my $ so it is not party time yet.

You will probably have to deposit first, before you can try to cash out via Skrill

Oh yeah right... Thank you buddy. Saved some time

I guess I will try the bank transfer. #IHAVEADREAM

I totally agree with you here. But when a company is bought out or purchased it has to honour the players balances which already exist , when the deal has been excepted this would have all been taken into consideration to the price that Win Cake assist and the network was worth .

When Intertops took over juicy stakes ( or are you still saying where is the proof in that either ) LOL . once again do you think juicy stakes players would be able to merge with Intertops players if it was not the same company ? It's No different to juicy stakes offering you ( Win Cake ) players to transfer there account there and to get some off there money out via play through requirements . What more proof do you need that the network is now owed and run by Intertops ?


You say it would be silly to move players balances because they not covered by Win Cake . These assists now belong to Intertops /juicy who purchased the network nothing to do with win cake anymore so yes it is Intertops problem ! Are you saying Intertops security department are very weak and are unable to do there job and see any chip dining that may accrue . Come on don't take a genius to see what's a chip dump and what's not !!

Matt