Greetings Poker Sharks,

Just a quick update on some of the tests being done with the default profile that comes with our Holdem Bot. First of all, member "xxx xxxx" has completed his 200,000 hand trial at the lowest stakes NL cash games at Full Tilt, and you can see the final graph here:

http://a.imageshack.us/img802/4292/final200kgraph.png

The blue line includes rakeback; the green line is just playing profits. Now before you start thinking that $247 isn't much profit for 200,000 hands played, remember that this was all done at the .01/.02 blinds level which has a maximum buy-in of only $2. A typical bet on the flop is around 10 cents. So this is a nice winning graph. All hands were played at the 9-max tables.

xxxx always used the latest version of the "xxxx" profile during this test. This is the free profile that comes pre-loaded in our bot and it is designed for cash games. There were several new versions posted during this run and we just released xxxx which is available in our support forum now. It is the best version yet, and from what we have seen and heard so far it is playing a rock-solid game and booking winning sessions at stakes as high as NL100.

Member xxx xxxx has started a new journal testing the free "MTT Kit" profile that we have available in the forum, so he is only doing tournaments now. Looks good so far.
Lots of our members keep interesting journals of their experiences using our software in the Personal Journals section of our forum. You need to be logged in to see this section, so if you are not yet a member just reply to this email with a desired username and password and we will be happy to register you. We have over 5,700 members now! (Be sure to read the legendary journal by member "xxxx" who turned zero into over $12,000 in 6 months starting with freerolls using only our poker bots to play tournaments.)

By the way, our supported poker rooms have not bothered any of us for a very long time now. They have become extremely tolerant of bots. Can't say I blame them, as we have several hundred active customers who are all botting for 6-12 hours every day, many of them on multiple tables. That would be a lot of revenue to cut off. Bodog even admits that they don't have a problem with bots in their support emails, and some of our members bot there around the clock now.

That's it for now. If you have not gotten into this incredibly fun hobby yet, now is a real good time. There is pending legislation in the U.S. congress to legalize and license online poker that looks like it will pass - so we expect a giant wave of fresh blood in the games soon. Smart people are getting their bots fine-tuned today and will be in a great position to cash-in on that big time.

See you at the cashier,



i put xxx for names and bot profile names so that we make easy for anyone to go and get them too...



This is absurd! I will NOT play on FULL TILT POKER, BODOG, OR UB/AP again until they get rid of this crap. I commend POKER STARS for fighting these bots as I did some looking around in this bot makers forum and they clearly state DO NOT play on stars they will not tolerate it and you will be banned...

I'm looking for an email. Not finding one.

So, what exactly are you saying here? Some bot site claims their bots work on FTP, Bodog and AP/UB so we should boycott? Plenty of people have ulterior motives in presenting information on the intertubes. This site might just have owners who run their bots on PS and want as many people to fleece as possible. I'm not seeing a whole lot of proof here.

I'm not going to a website like that from work for starters. Second the name suggests they're aiming to break even an just make money off of kickbacks and such. It's not great to have them around, but it also doesn't sound devastating.

Shocker, I thought a site that sells bots would claim you'd get busted for using their bots.

As a heads up, Stars bot security is pretty far down amongst the current sites. The biggest running ring game bot group was just exposed on Stars. A guy was running at least a dozen bots and played millions of hands over 2 years cashing out about 250k before he was finally caught BY PLAYERS and PokerTableRatings. Stars somehow didn't notice a dozen ratholing bots all playing 100% identically over millions of hands. The graphs PTR released of the bots' stats are pretty comical.

See http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...rstars-828016/ for the whole drama.

There are also sites and google ads bragging about how you can see opponents hole cards and other scams and gimmicks. There is no way to prove this guy's claims are legit. But any place like that proclaiming outstanding results and then asking for a subscription fee or something should be viewed skeptically. I give this about as much credit as some infomercial for turning real estate into huge riches and making $50k a month just using their super simple system...or the nigerian prince explaining to me how many people have gotten super rich just by givng him money.

Lots of dumb scams out there with wild stretches and lies.

i thought the same thing so I downloaded the free trial and played 200 hands on ftp. There was no detection at all from FTP. No warning or anything. The bot played a solid nitty game for 200 hands which seems fitting for micro full ring.

It can be set to take bathroom breaks and plays up to like 4-6 tables at one time. It will sit out if set to when the players at the table fall below x number of players.

I did research this thing a good bit before I posted. I didnt just see the site then post. These bots are real and they do play solid abc poker EVEN C BETTING etc and no doubt in my mind are able to beat micro limits.

lol, countdown to "Full Tilt closed my account for no reason!!!" thread.

Actually I'm forced to give OP the benefit of the doubt [for once]. As such I think it's more likely that this is not so thinly veiled spam than it is somebody's willing to sacrifice their poker account and all the funds in it because an advertisement on the interwebs promised they wouldn't get caught.

A.) You're admitting to botting.
B.) They know how to cbet!?! Sweet **** terminator is coming true. These things are moments away from becoming self aware and going all skynet on us.

I seriously hope "bathroom breaks" are not the #1 bot detection strategy out there. I would think mouse movement would be a far better place to start. Just the way a human moves a mouse would be non-trivial to reproduce IMO.

dr dickhead we are fully aware you are trying to defend botting. Move along.

if you knew anything about poker you would know that alot of people use table ninja and do not even use a mouse to play.

button timing tells are probably the #1 fight against bots however this bot varies its timing for mouse clicks.

Report the site to the rooms if you like (though they likely know of it already).

Recognize that saying one should not play on a site because of a random website that sells a bot is silly. As MicroBob indicated there have been tons of sites selling all sorts of stuff like this for years for poker, casinos, anything.

The fact you downloaded a trial version and used it shows you may not always have the best reasoning skills, since you put yourself to risk of the following:

1) Viruses
2) Your account being banned for botting


The site you found is hardly exceptional, one can find a ton more googling "poker bot for sale" so the fact you reacted this emotionally and took such risks over a mundane site is an experience you should learn from and never repeat.

if someone had the time with the use of ptr could uncover a bunch of bots at the lower limits i'm sure. when you see people playing 12-15 hours a day every day and making just rakeback at 2nl\5nl. lol.

i don't think the poker rooms have any incentive to ban them, as they're generating rake.

Have already been in contact in that regard. I cannot say anything here about that part.

Op did you actually buy bot that was advertised and use it without getting caught? Just making sure am reading correctly. Pretty sick. Actually do it right appears to have done it. I was discounted when I posted on Pokerstars bots thread that you could just buy one and not have to program one yourself. People said we are not at stage where you could buy an effective bot. Apparently we are at that stage then.

no i did not buy the bot they have a FREE 200 hand trial that anyone can use to show that the bot works.

and yes i did run it on FTP without detection or any type of warning for 200 hands to see for myself if it actually works.

One thing I always wondered was if there was an infestation of bots it would be likely that there would a few bots at one table. How would bots be able to adjust to other bots at table? Shame sites are not vigillant about ridding bots and turning a blind eye because of profits.

I remember seeing another 2 plus 2 member finding bots and reporting it to full tilt. After full tilt was warned about suspected buts they took months to act. I don't have the link but I remember reading that thread maybe someone else has the link.

This.

why would bots have to adjust? they're not beating the games per say. Their profits come from rakeback mostly. The games are becoming filled with them. Bot detection is horrid on FTP/Stars, etc. What do they play 1 million hands before they get detected lol.

lol I forgot to read the chapter about table ninja in super system. I'll get right on that.

Button timing tells would be a very weak form of bot detection just like bathroom breaks. It's very simple for computers to generate pseudo random numbers that can be used to thwart either.

In reality it should be fairly simple to eliminate bots if they ever become a real problem. The sites can just randomize chip colors/sizes, bet amount location and font. They can use captchas on anyone who appears suspicious or just everyone altogether. If bots ever become a real concern I would expect to see these methods, but these are also somewhat of an annoyance to valid users. So, until the time when bots are a real threat I don't expect to see them.

[x] OP is a shill...

Shill: A person engaged in covert advertising. The shill attempts to spread buzz by personally endorsing the product in public forums with the pretense of sincerity, when in fact he is being paid for his services.

Looks like you were both caught and warned. Great work by FTP for a change.

lol lol


i could run the bot everyday it seems. They warned me because I told them i used it. It doesn't matter though will be playing stars from now on for security reasons.

if this really worked why would they even sell it. If it is legit then the seller probably has a bot that that knows where the lesser bots are and takes there money

i would assume bot sales would easily surpass what you could make at micro stake limits with the bot. from what i was reading the license only last one year then you have to re buy again.