While breaking Pokerstars TOS (like every other player) and looking on PTR, I came across three players that have all followed the same pattern.

All of them starting playing at 200nl, played similar numbers of hands at similar winrates (if breakeven is a winrate). They all moved DOWN to 100nl within a 3 day window and repeated the pattern. They then moved DOWN again to 50nl and continue.



I don't know if there is a way to determine if they ever play on the same tables or not (like the great researchers did on SS for the Chinese DON debacle) but this might be useful as well if anyone knows how to go about it.

fwd tosupport@pokerstars.com

and admit directly to pokerstars that I'm breaking their TOS knowingly?

bit of catch-22 I think

No bots, ask the guys at this forum and they will tell you it is impossible to design bots that beat the NL game at these levels.

Don't bother, they won't take action vs these rake machines

They're shortstackers playing under 10vpip. I think that can be botted for the breakeven winrates these accounts have.

You'll get a beating like you have had never before for this statement!

Oh look, bigfish2010. I'm ****ing surprised.

extremely suspicious how they all moved down at pretty much the exact same time also with extremely similar volume.

Doesn't prove they are bots though. They might just be live players who are colluding. Or a single player who is playing on 3 different accounts at the same time (on the same tables with himself perhaps).

I understand your concern for reporting something that you saw on PTR. I really doubt they would do anything to you for pointing it out but I can't tell you that it's a 100% guarantee.

Perhaps you can PM the names to PSMichael here on 2+2 (assuming Stars doesn't know your 2+2 handle). I really don't think it's completely inappropriate to just post the names of the players in this thread and then assume Stars will see it. But there are some reasons why you probably wouldn't want to do that also I guess.

Those figures are crazy but they don't really indicate bots.

The second two players were doing much better at the highest stakes and would, if their results had continued, made far more by staying there.

The first player seems to have played for 5 months at the lowest stakes without realising that he was doing much better mid-stakes.

Certainly very odd behaviour but I can't see why you assume bots. If they were all running the same bot I'd have expected a little more consistency over their results.

Yeah MB, you see my point. This isn't enough evidence to prove they're bots, but it's suspicious enough to warrant further investigation. I don't want to out the accounts if by some miracle they're innocent of everything, but I don't want to put myself in harm's way either. My SN is known by anyone that wants to do the research.

I think for a shortstacker, those winrate variations are small enough that variance could easily be the only difference between them. If the accounts play on the same tables (I don't know one way or the other) then I would suspect colluding bots or humans. If they don't play together, that would tend to argue for a multiaccounting botter instead.

Go to an internet café or similar and use a hotmail account to email 'stars.

I just looked in my HEM db and the accounts definitely DO play on the same tables.

If you are afraid to report them, PM the nicks to someone on this forum you trust and they could report them to stars...