PokerStars Sit & Go Changes: Effective May 6th, 2011 - Page 11 - Internet Poker

In a 18´s opinon (mine ofc) just for a session..

Negative:

- Blinds Struture: Late game is sick. 5m comeback plz
- Timebank: like wtf? 15s is enough
- Higher Rake: lies of droping rake
- Please put the 21.70 in the low stakes tab to generate traffic
- Effective stack sizes becomes a joke after 100-200.. FTP doesnt has antes. You really just need to fix gap between 100-200 and 200-400

Positive:

- Buyins levels

"There will be an overall rake reduction in that if volume is the exact same as it was before at similar game types, less rake will be taken, but the overall rake reduction is slight and the changes are not always reductions for specific sit&gos. I'll have much more detailed information for you in the coming weeks." Oh wait...

Another Black Friday

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05-06-2011 , 06:50 PM

#252

TAKE MANEY

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 273

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Originally Posted by Anssi A

It was said the other topic, but the way to go would have been something like 1+0.1, 5+0.3, 10+0.6, 20+1, 50+2.5, 100+5, 200+9. All around improvement that would be loved by players and would definately increase the traffic, would also allow people to move up. No one would have reason to play anywhere else. try that for week or two and see what happens.

+1

the way the Stars Reps on this board talked about future changes of the rake on SnGs, no one expected that there would be turbos with more than 10% rake any more, maybe not even 8%

But 15 cent on 1$-turbos is pure raping, and 9 cent on 50c-turbos, wtf?
2 cent on 10cent-donkaments, lolol

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05-06-2011 , 06:50 PM

#253

britdevine

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 516

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Steve

Thank you all for taking the time to offer your feedback, both positive and negative. As stated in the OP, the intent of these changes is to make rake more consistent with the overall net effect for players being a very slight reduction.

There is significant negative feedback here. PokerStars will take some time to review this feedback in detail with open minds. Please allow some time for analysis but I will post here again to directly address the concerns that have been raised.

Please feel free to continue to post any and all thoughts about the changes as PokerStars will continue to monitor the thread.

Negative Feedback happens when you try to F over 90% of your remaining player base...Go back to old system, the just lower rake 10% on everything, and bam, perfection

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05-06-2011 , 06:51 PM

#254

Yasawa

adept

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,166

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Originally Posted by FlakDet

Increase the level of blinds in every 3mins is so bad.

You noticed that there are more levels now?

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05-06-2011 , 06:55 PM

#255

runnerx2.

stranger

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 11

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Originally Posted by CheezOnToast

I feel like a kid who's come down on christmas morning to find santa bending his mum over and then opens his present to find a big steaming pile of reindeer s**t. FML.

this.

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05-06-2011 , 06:55 PM

#256

Joe Knott

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 431

as a husng player i love the changes, it's a reason for me to move to stars

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05-06-2011 , 06:57 PM

#257

bojahc

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 161

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Originally Posted by bojahc

Why are you doing this to us? Even in micros >10% rake is outrageous. Is the extra money you expect to make from increasing rake in e.g. $1 games really worth screwing up micro players? I wouldn't play micros if I were good enough to beat the rake with a big margin.

Why did you add more low-blind levels? I wouldn't play turbo SNGs if I wanted to play post-flop poker. I understand the levels are now 3 minutes but overall the structure is slower in early game.

Why have you changed the payout structure in e.g. $1 45s? The old one: $14, $10, $7, $5, $4, $3, $2. The new one: $13.97, $9.67, $7.42, $5.62, $4.05, $2.70, $1.57. I really can't understand the motivation for replacing even payouts with random payouts.

Adding $1 180s seems like a really bad idea. The $2 buy-in was just high enough that you could make a decent living.

Not a huge fan of standardized buy-ins because it seems to lower most buy-ins. Buy-ins had already effectively decreased over the years due to inflation.

Huge timebanks in turbos seem weird right now. Not yet sure of the consequences.

The only positive change I can think of right now is 10% antes. Maybe adding levels between 100/200/20 and 200/400/40 is a good change too.

Overall I think the changes are just awful and should be re-evaluated fast. I really can't understand how you came up with them.

I'd like to add that if you really feel the need to smoothen the structure, you could just replace the old 75/150, 100/200, 100/200/25, 200/400/25 with 75/150, 100/200/20, 150/300/30, 200/400/40 keeping the number of levels the same. There aren't really any other big jumps, at least in 18s and 45s. The early levels definitely don't need changing.

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05-06-2011 , 06:58 PM

#258

FlakDet

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 198

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Originally Posted by Yasawa

You noticed that there are more levels now?

yeah,but preferred the old one.

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05-06-2011 , 06:59 PM

#259

Dalglish

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 448

As a husng player, i want to say GOOD JOB STARS! I really like the changes, especially the lower rake

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05-06-2011 , 07:00 PM

#260

JSpazz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6,694

great job on HUSNG rake/structure

now if only you could get rid of windows 95 graphics...

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05-06-2011 , 07:00 PM

#261

Hangson

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 354

I dun like that multiple KO games are shown in lobby after the change.
Please change it back
One game displayed in lobby at one time is enough.

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05-06-2011 , 07:04 PM

#262

Erciyes@38

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 30

Why not fire some unuseless employees and reduce bonuses for recovering Black Friday as any normal company will do when they fraud.

really nice to cover up this mess with free vpp challenges and Scoop tickets. haha!

Donks

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05-06-2011 , 07:06 PM

#263

sawwee

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 26

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Originally Posted by PrimordialAA

fwiw Steve, dont change it back to just 1 lobby, just change it so that 1 person sitting 10 lobbies only shows 1x. Respawning lobbies is def. wanted

Yes, fully agree! If this will happen I'll come back to stars immediately and generate $12K rake per month what I do on FullTilt nowadays.

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05-06-2011 , 07:09 PM

#264

bigbluffzinc

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 543

As a SNG reg - 9 mans through 18's - love the changes, well done stars!

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05-06-2011 , 07:11 PM

#265

MuckFaster

centurion

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 119

I've changed my mind. I just final tabled a $10.85/180 and it's even more of a luckfest than it was before. The slower blind increases early on have been compensated for by ridiculous blinds in the final stages. I mean 12/6k blinds with 5 players still left. WTF?? Change it back please!

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05-06-2011 , 07:14 PM

#266

Erciyes@38

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 30

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Originally Posted by bigbluffzinc

As a SNG reg - 9 mans through 18's - love the changes, well done stars!

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05-06-2011 , 07:15 PM

#267

8Hazey8

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 466

HU SNG changes are great.

Just please bring back the colours!

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05-06-2011 , 07:19 PM

#268

Madis

banned

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 28

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Originally Posted by MuckFaster

Indeed, this is so stupid. The new buy in options @180's is cool but the structure is just too fast now. (Anyway it's friday friday we so so excited but none of the 54$ 180s didnt even start at the peak hour, lol !)

MUST CHANGE !!

+super long timebank is ridiculous

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05-06-2011 , 07:19 PM

#269

Joshfan

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,751

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Originally Posted by Anssi A

Pokerstars, you should consider that players can easily get 60% rakeback on eu sites. Now that you have increased the rake for smaller limits, what makes you think people will stick with Stars which already has toughest games online?

It was said the other topic, but the way to go would have been something like 1+0.1, 5+0.3, 10+0.6, 20+1, 50+2.5, 100+5, 200+9. All around improvement that would be loved by players and would definately increase the traffic, would also allow people to move up. No one would have reason to play anywhere else. try that for week or two and see what happens.

+1 , can't you just test reasonable rake for like a week?

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05-06-2011 , 07:23 PM

#270

djg1979

adept

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,025

Turbos sound like is gonna be a crap shot from now on. All gamble no skill.

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05-06-2011 , 07:24 PM

#271

clownklauen

banned

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,409

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Originally Posted by Anssi A

+1 train

do it!

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05-06-2011 , 07:29 PM

#272

sbfootball_84

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,412

the largest site lowering their rake is always good for the online poker economy.

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05-06-2011 , 07:31 PM

#273

RigMeARiver

old hand

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,445

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Originally Posted by Yasawa

new structure is so much better

much better to outplay opponent without the big jump from 25/50 to 50/100 where its suddenly a shovefest

Totally agree.

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05-06-2011 , 07:34 PM

#274

flopp_deuces

adept

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 772

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Originally Posted by Simplicity8

Steve, it seems like you are trying to haggle with your player base in order to get PokerStars the best possible deal similarly to how the PokerStars DON Scandal was handled. Instead of giving us your ****ty lowball offers and enraging your customers stay true to the PokerStars brand and give us your best possible offer.

The changes made to the buy-ins and rake% for $50 and lower games are so ridiculous that even I, a US player, am stunned at PokerStars' lack of appreciation of it's players.

I agree they haggled for months with that DON scandal before just coming out and doing the correct thing right away which would have saved the players so much time and anger towards them. I was expecting a rake structure similiar to that of what anssi had like 50+2.50, 100+5, 200+9, etc. to make the games beatable. In the long run it would encourage a ton more traffic and draw players from other euro sites which is a win-win for both pokerstars and the players.