Pretty sure the people disagreeing are missing my point completely. I will say this once but if you don't understand it then you people are hopeless anyway.

In 50PLO at the moment the rake is 20bb/100. The biggest winrates I've seen over a LARGE sample are in the 10bb range. This means people are winning half of what they are raking. This is OKAY. In cap the highest winrates at .25/.5 are like .05bb/100 and rake is ~10bb. This means people are winning .5% of what they are raking. THIS is a problem. Ofcourse people who win at PLO should be rewarded with higher winrates. I mean even if CAP was not raked AT ALL. The current PLO winrates would be the same so I don't see how your argument is valid at all.

I also said both games should be raked less. So should some a lot of micro NLHE and a tonne of limit games. Maybe you should try to comprehend something before you shoot it down?

I think the problem with lowering the rake at CAP, is that competent 100bb NLHE players will say to themselves, 'hey I can go over and crush cap and play twice as many tables, without ever being put in a tough turn or river spot'. This would be appealing to a lot of good players currently doing just fine at regular NLHE.

Eventually what happens is the ratio of regs to fish at CAP gets way worse than it already is and you are right back to where you started with the game becoming unbeatable once again, and requesting more rake reduction.

20bb poker is just too easy to get so close to perfect play, and its bad for poker as a whole.

Sure some fish like it, and others try it because they don't really know any better.

Most regs that I have spoken to don't actually like it and would much rather be able to win consistently at 100bb tables for similar stakes, but CAP has given them the opportunity to make the most amount of FPP's with the least amount of experience playing poker.

Zoom is running really smooth. I like when the cards are showing when dealt and not the backs of the cards for a brief second but other than that it is running great.

This just is not true at all. All of the regs who don't make it to the flop/turn/river are actually really bad anyway so I don't understand how this is relevant?

Also winrates @ 2/4+ are perfectly fine. .25/.5 and .5/1 are where the rake problems occur.

What's with Pokerstars.FR?

there is no reason why any game should be raked less than another one. it doesnt cost stars less to provide the tables.

if you cant achieve a high enough winrate, then move to a game where you can achieve the winrate.

maybe the 40bb stacks should also be rakes less on the normal tables, because they have a lower winrate? its your decision, live with it. dont ask stars to help you because you are not playing a game which can give you a proper winrate.

Saying that both games should be raked less is completely irrelevant to the argument. Every game should be raked less. There is no need to talk about this.

I highly doubt what you're saying about PLO is true, but even if, the right way would be to look at the average true winrate of winning regulars, and not at the winrates of the best regulars influenced by the very high variance of PLO.

The question is if CAP players should be rewarded more for playing their game than others. I don't see why they should. If you play CAP you'll struggle with winrates, but that's what you get for playing a game with a shallow learning curve and low variance compared to other games.

whats everybodys vpp/hand for 10nl, 25nl and 100nl (fullring)

??? 5kNL is raked WAY less then 25NL. According to this you believe 5kNL should be raked 5% of every pot just like 25NL is. Games ARE raked less, the higher you play the less rake you pay in comparison to winrates. This is true for EVERY game. They are just raking TOO much for micros of different games. Similar to how they rake micros TOO high they also rake .25/.5 and .5/1 CAP too high.

I don't understand how people can't see this. If 100% of money in a particular game is going to stars then said game needs to have a rake revamp.

Yes some games should be raked differently then others just like Hyper turbo SNGs are raked different then turbo sngs and turbo sngs are raked different then regular speeds sngs. Why is this done? This is because the game would be UNBEATABLE with higher rake. The exact same thing should occur in cash games.

Once again winrates are FINE at 2/4+, .25/.5 and .5/1 are where the rake problems occur. Why should a game be EASIER to beat @ 2/4 then .5/1?

Ok, I am wondering.. if a 25nl player have a 5bb/100 winrate playing 12 tables, how much would he make playing 4 tables zoom? would it dramatically decrease? if so by how much approximately?

I would love to go from playing 500 h/h to 1200 h/h, but I am worried about the decrease in winrate without usage of HUD

MC LOVIN IN THE ***** HOUSE!!!

tell me how work out the VPP per hand rate using poker tracker 3 and i'll tell you all 3

PLEASe 2c/5c Omaha!

Yes im too baller for PLO2 but not PLO10.

Pt4 has a hud that works for zoom

so does pt3

i would guess wr will be lower and hourly higher

Anyone else getting screen flicker (and maybe small lag) whenever a new Zoom table appears while using Tableninja?

This is incorrect on so many levels. Have you ever played CAP? If you cant play well on the turn and river you have no chance of beating this game. Do you think you can just follow a preflop chart and win?

I too am curious.

god still no 1-2 or 2-4 grrrrr

quite sure it's wrong on many levels to use teh baller word in this sentence

yeah, it's time

It's true. The rake is awfuly high on lowstakes. With CAP games, it's even worse. PokerStars cares about their profit and not so much about the rake problem for us players. So that's why it's better for the poker economy that there's no CAP rush games because 100bb games are not as bad as CAP games. If the rake structure would get much better at lowstakes, I wouldn't mind the CAP games so much.

How many players at 100NL??? Thanks....

520 FR 380 SH

is the "CTRL" button to see AND fold in zoom customizable? unfortunately i am not able to use "CTRL" since i have assigned it to a different task.

280VPP in 3400 hands of nl25 6max if someone cares