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PokerStars/2+2-users: October 28/29/30 2013 Meeting Discussion Thread PokerStars/2+2-users: October 28/29/30 2013 Meeting Discussion Thread

09-19-2013 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by moonship
That is just your opinion and it can be difficult to prove a negative. For example, there are several past attendees that before attending wrote a lot of posts about PS. Heck their writing a lot of critical posts about PS is one of the reasons they got picked as player reps. But since attending they have been almost silent about PS. They didn't go from critical to fanboys, they went from critical to mostly silent. They still post on 2+2 and at about the same post count frequency. But their topics of choice have moved away from PS as though it isn't worth the trouble of talking critically about PS anymore.

Just a thought about the consequences of a NDA that PS won't even share with all of us to read.
I can 100% guarantee you if this is the case it wasn't because of the NDA. It doesn't stop us from saying anything other than sharing sensitive data or future plans which aren't announced yet (or still in the works). As a couple people mentioned this is pretty standard and I think the discussion about the NDAs is getting overboard now..
Conversely I can't guarantee you they weren't brainwashed into changing their mind about Stars (I don't think this, but just making a point as to the legitimacy of my guarantee).
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09-19-2013 , 09:34 PM
Well if we want to get into guarantees, I can guarantee you that this what you called "overboard" discussion of NDAs over the last 2 days would go away if people didn't have to reply on your guarantee about the contents of the NDA. The lack of transparency and openness in the face of all these guarantees about the NDA is comical..."I guarantee there is nothing important in the NDA, but you can't see it."

The NDA thing over the last 2 days is just the latest questionable part of this thread. It has been an wonderful 14 days in this thread for anyone with a box of popcorn that enjoys sitting back and separating the fallacies from the facts.

Last edited by moonship; 09-19-2013 at 09:47 PM.
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09-19-2013 , 10:05 PM
If selected as a representative, I will report on the NDA in this forum, unless it is a violation of the terms of the NDA to do so.

/NDA stuff?
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09-19-2013 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
If selected as a representative, I will report on the NDA in this forum, unless it is a violation of the terms of the NDA to do so.
^^^ Pure gold.
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09-19-2013 , 10:26 PM
Priorities..

Seriously though, posting the NDA itself is just a legal document that is not appropriate to post. Again, someone said earlier that it's very standard in these situations and no respectable company should find it necessary to post the actual document itself in public.

If the NDA itself made restrictions I, or any other former rep were uncomfortable with, 100% you guys would know about it. There is no chance I would sign an agreement that restricts me from telling the truth AND restricts me from mentioning that I made such an agreement AND even LIE about the fact to you all...

In the past other rep/s and I have posted the actual exact meeting schedule and timetable across multiple days for example. If Steve isn't going to post it I really doubt a rep is going to.

By the way if anyone has any questions about my thoughts or agenda or would like to make suggestions feel free to do so now (they don't have to directly be to me, could just be to whoever gets selected in general etc). I wrote a fairly 'short' CV to spare you walls of text.
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09-20-2013 , 12:30 AM
+1 for David (OMGClayDol)

I quickly browsed through the page with the CVs on and yours was the only one I read because your post was very clear & concise (the paragraphs weren't massive blocks of text which was also nice) and I get the feeling that you would get points across in a clear concise and professional manner.

The fact you have also previously been to the meetings also helps alot aswell, because of this I think there will be less tension as you're familiar with this process and the managers (I cannot stress how a familiar face for Pokerstars managers and staff to see can ease this whole meeting making it alot more relaxed, giving more focus on the objectives of the meeting)

Additionally you've previously reached SNE meaning the volume you've played on PS will mean most if not all of the current issues either effect you first hand or are problems you're well aware of, last of all I'd also advise to bring your school girl friend along shown in your avatar to the meetings, then the Pokerstars managers will do anything you ask

I'll ony officially vote for you though if you tell me the name of the girl in your avatar, is it an actor? looks like it could be from a film

I will see what suggestions I can make very soon, if you're accepting them

Last edited by Alex399; 09-20-2013 at 12:43 AM.
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09-20-2013 , 03:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by moonship
For example, there are several past attendees that before attending wrote a lot of posts about PS. Heck their writing a lot of critical posts about PS is one of the reasons they got picked as player reps. But since attending they have been almost silent about PS. They didn't go from critical to fanboys, they went from critical to mostly silent. They still post on 2+2 and at about the same post count frequency. But their topics of choice have moved away from PS as though it isn't worth the trouble of talking critically about PS anymore.
this is a fair point imo and a good observation. even if the NDA has no part in this we can not know. this is the downside of gag orders as opposed to transparency.


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Originally Posted by krmont22
It is stopping us from saying specific information that really would not benefit the community in anyway, but I don't think it has stopped anyone who went to a meetings from sharing anything they had wanted to.

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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
Agreed.
dear mr.haven i think you are intelligent enough a man to see the logical fallacity here. there should be one or the other rep sitting at his computer right now, thinking of ways on how to make the paper public without potentially getting into trouble.
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09-20-2013 , 03:22 AM
Please stop with the NDA crusade.

Either you want Stars to share plans/data or you don't. If you do (as I imagine everyone else does) then it needs an NDA. Those who've seen this particular NDA have confirmed that its innocuous and just serves to protect the disclosed info. It's very common that NDAs are themselves treated as confidential.

If you're worried about Stars secrecy/gagging etc more generally then vote for a rep who will take up that point (or put yourself forward to do it).
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09-20-2013 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by raidalot
Please stop with the NDA crusade.

Either you want Stars to share plans/data or you don't. If you do (as I imagine everyone else does) then it needs an NDA. Those who've seen this particular NDA have confirmed that its innocuous and just serves to protect the disclosed info. It's very common that NDAs are themselves treated as confidential.

If you're worried about Stars secrecy/gagging etc more generally then vote for a rep who will take up that point (or put yourself forward to do it).
+1

NDA=Non-issue.
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09-20-2013 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by raidalot
Please stop with the NDA crusade.

Either you want Stars to share plans/data or you don't. If you do (as I imagine everyone else does) then it needs an NDA. Those who've seen this particular NDA have confirmed that its innocuous and just serves to protect the disclosed info. It's very common that NDAs are themselves treated as confidential.
is this a confirmation that the NDAs are confidential? that is ..you confirm that reps are not allowed to publish it or comment on its terms?
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09-20-2013 , 04:27 AM
Whichever candidate campaigns to discuss the removal or at the least a permanent chat ban for player "sexyangeline" will have the support from the majority of the ssnl community. This is worth roughly 300 votes.

The reason for this is for a problem taking place at the full ring ssnl games for nearly two years now. The player sexyangeline continuously calls about the whales at every table and will then invite them to play him 1x1. A good portion of the time the casual player realizes he is being targeted and questions if he is the mark at the table. It is not uncommon for the casual player to ask something similar to "why? am I an easy target or something?", and the quickly leaves the table. SexyAngeline typically translates the conversation to suite the recreation player's nationality.

Here is an example of what is seen several times a day from this player...



PokerStars Support at all levels has been made aware of this problem several times (I would assume hundreds), yet they have failed to respond or take action on a very basic problem that is harmful to recreational players and the games. Several screenshots, like the one above, have been taken and sent to every known email support address for PokerStars. Also several PM's on 2p2 have been sent to Staff members w/o receiving a response. As I mentioned, it is not uncommon for SexyAngeline to translate the conversation into a language other than English.
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09-20-2013 , 04:48 AM
I'd like to think any candidate will bring forward concerns like this, but I can of course guarantee to mention the issue with the specific example. I personally brought up a couple MSNL table camper examples and whilst stars will never publicly announce the punishment/s of specific individuals (legal reasons etc) I think they definitely do issue warnings and eventually bans or punishments, obv some have been dealt with better than others though..
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09-20-2013 , 04:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mexican_Natis
Whichever candidate campaigns to discuss the removal or at the least a permanent chat ban for player "sexyangeline" will have the support from the majority of the ssnl community. This is worth roughly 300 votes.

The reason for this is for a problem taking place at the full ring ssnl games for nearly two years now. The player sexyangeline continuously calls about the whales at every table and will then invite them to play him 1x1. A good portion of the time the casual player realizes he is being targeted and questions if he is the mark at the table. It is not uncommon for the casual player to ask something similar to "why? am I an easy target or something?", and the quickly leaves the table. SexyAngeline typically translates the conversation to suite the recreation player's nationality.

Here is an example of what is seen several times a day from this player...



PokerStars Support at all levels has been made aware of this problem several times (I would assume hundreds), yet they have failed to respond or take action on a very basic problem that is harmful to recreational players and the games. Several screenshots, like the one above, have been taken and sent to every known email support address for PokerStars. Also several PM's on 2p2 have been sent to Staff members w/o receiving a response. As I mentioned, it is not uncommon for SexyAngeline to translate the conversation into a language other than English.
+1
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09-20-2013 , 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
+1
+2

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09-20-2013 , 05:41 AM
+1. Shouldn't be up to the players to police and control this problem
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09-20-2013 , 06:10 AM
wow...and considering his username is "sexyangeline" I assume "she" convinces quite some marks
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09-20-2013 , 07:05 AM
^ "I wanna invite you to play 1x1 with me"
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09-20-2013 , 07:31 AM
Most of the candidates' CVs say they will discuss against the bumhunt & seat selection.
Like others have stated before in doing so I fear they will give Stars the excuse to say smth along the line of "per player request we've removed bumhunting by making it all zoom or all table starter".

Which pretty clearly is not what we want regardless of our opinion of bumhunting and seat selection.
The representatives should have this in mind when discussing this sensitive issue.

I think it was already tried at higher limits of CAP tables but they went back on their decision after some time?
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09-20-2013 , 08:17 AM
can someone post a link to the cv thread?
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09-20-2013 , 08:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mexican_Natis
Whichever candidate campaigns to discuss the removal or at the least a permanent chat ban for player "sexyangeline" will have the support from the majority of the ssnl community. This is worth roughly 300 votes.

The reason for this is for a problem taking place at the full ring ssnl games for nearly two years now. The player sexyangeline continuously calls about the whales at every table and will then invite them to play him 1x1. A good portion of the time the casual player realizes he is being targeted and questions if he is the mark at the table. It is not uncommon for the casual player to ask something similar to "why? am I an easy target or something?", and the quickly leaves the table. SexyAngeline typically translates the conversation to suite the recreation player's nationality.

Here is an example of what is seen several times a day from this player...



PokerStars Support at all levels has been made aware of this problem several times (I would assume hundreds), yet they have failed to respond or take action on a very basic problem that is harmful to recreational players and the games. Several screenshots, like the one above, have been taken and sent to every known email support address for PokerStars. Also several PM's on 2p2 have been sent to Staff members w/o receiving a response. As I mentioned, it is not uncommon for SexyAngeline to translate the conversation into a language other than English.
+1
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09-20-2013 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Slugant
can someone post a link to the cv thread?
I've edited it into the OP.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-only-1372526/
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09-20-2013 , 12:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mexican_Natis
Whichever candidate campaigns to discuss the removal or at the least a permanent chat ban for player "sexyangeline" will have the support from the majority of the ssnl community. This is worth roughly 300 votes.

The reason for this is for a problem taking place at the full ring ssnl games for nearly two years now. The player sexyangeline continuously calls about the whales at every table and will then invite them to play him 1x1. A good portion of the time the casual player realizes he is being targeted and questions if he is the mark at the table. It is not uncommon for the casual player to ask something similar to "why? am I an easy target or something?", and the quickly leaves the table. SexyAngeline typically translates the conversation to suite the recreation player's nationality.

Here is an example of what is seen several times a day from this player...



PokerStars Support at all levels has been made aware of this problem several times (I would assume hundreds), yet they have failed to respond or take action on a very basic problem that is harmful to recreational players and the games. Several screenshots, like the one above, have been taken and sent to every known email support address for PokerStars. Also several PM's on 2p2 have been sent to Staff members w/o receiving a response. As I mentioned, it is not uncommon for SexyAngeline to translate the conversation into a language other than English.
+1
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09-20-2013 , 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mexican_Natis
Whichever candidate campaigns to discuss the removal or at the least a permanent chat ban for player "sexyangeline" will have the support from the majority of the ssnl community.
+1

I am Xerxes and I approve this message
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09-20-2013 , 01:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mexican_Natis
Whichever candidate campaigns to discuss the removal or at the least a permanent chat ban for player "sexyangeline" will have the support from the majority of the ssnl community. This is worth roughly 300 votes.

The reason for this is for a problem taking place at the full ring ssnl games for nearly two years now. The player sexyangeline continuously calls about the whales at every table and will then invite them to play him 1x1. A good portion of the time the casual player realizes he is being targeted and questions if he is the mark at the table. It is not uncommon for the casual player to ask something similar to "why? am I an easy target or something?", and the quickly leaves the table. SexyAngeline typically translates the conversation to suite the recreation player's nationality.

Here is an example of what is seen several times a day from this player...



PokerStars Support at all levels has been made aware of this problem several times (I would assume hundreds), yet they have failed to respond or take action on a very basic problem that is harmful to recreational players and the games. Several screenshots, like the one above, have been taken and sent to every known email support address for PokerStars. Also several PM's on 2p2 have been sent to Staff members w/o receiving a response. As I mentioned, it is not uncommon for SexyAngeline to translate the conversation into a language other than English.
+1

dont forget the thread full of complains nati

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/96...eline-1356764/

Spoiler:
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09-20-2013 , 01:05 PM
I will stop taking volunteers and nominations with acceptances by the nominees in about three hours, then open a voting thread.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 09-20-2013 at 02:15 PM.
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