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Is Merge Security capable of policing games? Overwhelming Evidence of MERGE O8 Irregularities Is Merge Security capable of policing games? Overwhelming Evidence of MERGE O8 Irregularities

12-29-2011 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AlienSpaceBat
I'm pretty sure that this has been addressed before - maybe the girah thing ?

My understanding, as was said above, is that merge do have all the HHs, as you would expect. They don't have a method to export them without showing hole cards for all players, which is why they won't send them out.

Obviously I don't think they have tried too hard to create a software utility to export histories with only hero's cards, board & showdown hands, but there you go.
got it tx!
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12-29-2011 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
But that would require them to do their job.
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12-29-2011 , 07:20 PM
This does not surprise me in the slightest bit. I used to play the FTP O8 tournaments and I know of at least two times I asked FTP security to investigate AJB4 for amazing late rushes in tournaments that looked like dumps. I only asked them to start investigating after seeing it several times. Of course FTP never found anything but nobody is going to dump their stack a few places from the bubble on some of the hands I saw lose to him back in the FTP days in a legitimate play.

There is no doubt in my mind cheating went on here. I always suspected it of him and had no idea others had already accused him at FTP like I did. Merge, please ban this guy and anyone associated with him. With the shadiness Bodog has pulled Merge is the only hope for O8 for US players.
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12-29-2011 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by M&P40
is this your wife's account ajb4444?
no, AJB personally coached him to make that post. probably a part of their staking contract.
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12-29-2011 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokeraddict
This does not surprise me in the slightest bit. I used to play the FTP O8 tournaments and I know of at least two times I asked FTP security to investigate AJB4 for amazing late rushes in tournaments that looked like dumps.
lol ya I remember him being a really hard knockout in sng's, like he had a special talent for coming back from 280 chips like it was nothing. I'm sure he was good anyways, but makes a lot of sense now.
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12-29-2011 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ALawPoker
lol ya I remember him being a really hard knockout in sng's, like he had a special talent for coming back from 280 chips like it was nothing. I'm sure he was good anyways, but makes a lot of sense now.
When we get regs in the US people that do this will go to jail. That is more important to me than anything else, criminal charges brought against cheats like this. If it does not deter them at least they will get what they deserve instead of just having their account locked.
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12-29-2011 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokeraddict
This does not surprise me in the slightest bit. I used to play the FTP O8 tournaments and I know of at least two times I asked FTP security to investigate AJB4 for amazing late rushes in tournaments that looked like dumps. I only asked them to start investigating after seeing it several times. Of course FTP never found anything but nobody is going to dump their stack a few places from the bubble on some of the hands I saw lose to him back in the FTP days in a legitimate play.

There is no doubt in my mind cheating went on here. I always suspected it of him and had no idea others had already accused him at FTP like I did. Merge, please ban this guy and anyone associated with him. With the shadiness Bodog has pulled Merge is the only hope for O8 for US players.

It really is amazing that this creep has been able to do this for so long. Thanks to the poker community for not letting this story die. I really would love it if you got caught cheating on one site you are banned from all sites. That would be awesome! I hope that when regulation comes out that if you cheat on a casino site you are banned from the live casino as well. Besides criminal charges of course. What kills me most about the story is how he basically insults everyone's intelligence with his bs story. First it is horses, then wife, and then a combination.
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12-29-2011 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by no eff eks
+100000

You're clearly a very grounded individual, kudos.
Thank you--I genuinely appreciate that
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12-30-2011 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Pokeraddict
When we get regs in the US people that do this will go to jail. That is more important to me than anything else, criminal charges brought against cheats like this. If it does not deter them at least they will get what they deserve instead of just having their account locked.
This is the most appealing part of regulation in the USA to me.

To answer the person who was saying "I don't understand how anyone could be this immoral," it's really easy. The vast majority of people are big scumbags. The only thing that keeps them in check is the fear of punishment.

It feels like most the anger in this thread is directed at AJB. He definitely is a dirtbag and deserves it, but the real blame here needs to be on Merge. This is why you pay rake. It seems like poker sties don't understand that rake isn't free money; that they actually have to do work for it.
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12-30-2011 , 03:02 AM
im lost, who is this supposed to be again??
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12-30-2011 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
AJB4 do you mind giving us the names of your "other personal" merge accounts that you mentioned in post 131 of this thread?

They were previously mentioned in post 154.
They were involved in the HUNL chip-dumping with passthesalsa.


O8Grinder & FridayBlack are two of AJB4's other accounts.

They never entered any tournaments with each other or with 444AJB.

Yet they played a large number with HalKatB in the field and a lesser number when passthesalsa was registered.







FridayBlack, besides losing the aforementioned $254 HUNL to passthesalsa played 6 other HUNL times losing all six to HalKatB (only$94).

FridayBlack, registered June6, played O8 176 times from June6 to July 27 +$1,139, +41%ROI. Then never played for 2 entire months.
Other than the $250 chipdump Dec18 almost all play since Oct 11 is small stakes 1 table sngs.

O8Grinder, registered May24, played 170 times and was a $4k - 113%ROI winner yet was used sporadically including no games from June6-July27, Aug16- Sept2, Sept10-Nov18 and Nov18-Dec8.

They haven't played since Dec 20 and Dec 23.

Last edited by Rainbow Warrior; 12-30-2011 at 03:14 AM.
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12-30-2011 , 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Pokeraddict
When we get regs in the US people that do this will go to jail. That is more important to me than anything else, criminal charges brought against cheats like this. If it does not deter them at least they will get what they deserve instead of just having their account locked.
I do hope cheating is considered criminal behavior when we get legislation. I really really really want there to be real penalties for cheating.
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12-30-2011 , 09:27 AM
I'll have to look at my db, but when I was looking at it for the previously named accounts, I noticed an AJB4 account on Cake as well and I know there's a cake reg with the name O8Grinder. Could be just coincidence and I don't know if there's a way to check, but this might be going on at Cake also.
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12-30-2011 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy
I'll have to look at my db, but when I was looking at it for the previously named accounts, I noticed an AJB4 account on Cake as well and I know there's a cake reg with the name O8Grinder. Could be just coincidence and I don't know if there's a way to check, but this might be going on at Cake also.
Yeah I do remember seeing that screen name on Cake quite often in the plo8 mtts, when I used to play there...
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12-30-2011 , 12:15 PM
Man i ****ing hate some of the scum that play poker. Good work on everyone for finding this stuff out.

Has anyone emailed stars about this recently, see if they can ban him from there and take back his cheated winnings.
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12-30-2011 , 12:48 PM
nice work op, hoss ,and all the other guy's itt that caught this scumbag pos. has anyone ever met this lowlife irl?
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12-30-2011 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by endo
I noticed at the beginning of the thread merge said all said players are from different parts of the world but ajb says one of the accounts is his wife. So his wife is in another part of the world or is using a vpn for some reason?
I actually went back and reread the OP to see what exactly was said about this and I noticed something a little odd:

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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
My email to merge:
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I have reasons to believe the following player(s) on the merge network are the same person, or at the very least working together, and that there is some collusion and some obvious chip dumping going on between the accounts. The accounts are "passthesalsa", "HalKatB", and "444AJB".

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Thank you for your report.
We have reviewed their historical play together and find that they have not sat together with any noticeable frequency, and the hands they were involved with together last night did not have any of the true markings of collusion.
Neither player ever made a bet, raise or re-raise that was not warranted based on the cards he held and based on the size of the pot.
As an extra element of our review we have traced their IP addresses .The results indicates that both accounts are accessing our game server from completely separate locations.
Thank you for your report, we appreciate it, as keeping our card room fair and honest is our highest priority.
Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance.
Best Regards,
Olger P.
Security Team
Merge Gaming Network
It seems to me that Merge security only talks about TWO accounts here not three. I don't even know what would this mean, just a bit weird IMO.
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12-30-2011 , 03:21 PM
I was probably given a standard response letter.
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12-30-2011 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
I was probably given a standard response letter.
If this is true, none of the facts in their response letter have anything to do with anything
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12-31-2011 , 01:19 AM
Just caught this thread, I probably have the most HH against all of them saved in my PT3 database (leroy can probably confim this). If all or even some of this turns out to be true, I am going to be highly pissed off.
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12-31-2011 , 01:49 PM
This guy must be having one helluva Holiday.
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12-31-2011 , 05:06 PM
Received this follow up email on Thursday. I did not respond to merge after their first email

Hello,

Further to my colleague’s correspondence, please note we are currently reviewing the play of all players involved. It is important to note that, as in live tournaments, family members and friends are all welcome to play in the same multi-table tournaments.

As you know, seating in a multi-table tournament is entirely random. Each player is expected to play against each other with equal vigour.

Should there be any conclusive hands that suggest collusion amongst the players, or a pattern of behavior that suggest team play, all funds won from the tournament(s) in question will be forfeited with remaining funds redistributed to players adversely affected. Affected parties will be contacted in due course.

Should you require further assistance please don't hesitate to contact us.
Kind regards,


Ronald
Security Team
Merge Gaming Network
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12-31-2011 , 07:12 PM
^^damn str8 you "require further assistance"! Ask Ronald "the security dep. virtuoso" to provide the 2p2 community w/ the relevant HHs, so that our own unbiased experts can complete an objective analysis.

Now that I think about it, all of us who sat at any point at a table w/ the accused accounts, need to start putting pressure on MERGE to release the relevant HHs. Or if they don't comply we ought to figure out how to combine our HHs databases so that we can have one of our guys analyze the data for evidence of collusion.
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12-31-2011 , 09:21 PM
does anyone have any record of any of AJB4s names playing a 9 or 6 person sit n go together??
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12-31-2011 , 09:48 PM
When I checked these earlier I didn't find any 6,9 or 10 player sngs involving 2 of 444AJB, HalKatB, passthesalsa, FridayBlack or O8Grinder.
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