Nothing new here.....just an interesting page I found from OPR which lists all the winners of events HalKatB played at Carbon since July 11th 2011 (last reported Dec 22). All of the tournaments are basically between 48 and 130 players. Of course, you will see these names listed as winners; 444AJB, O8Grinder, passthesalsa, AJB44444

http://officialpokerrankings.com/Car...C3.html?t=fsre


The interesting thing to me after I looked a little closer....

Dec 9 O8Grinder wins, HalKatB 3rd (48 players)
Dec 7 (1) 444AJB wins, HalKatB 2nd, passthesalsa 4th (49 players)
Dec 7 (2) 444AJB wins, HalKatB 2nd, (103 players)
Nov 25 passthesalsa wins, 444AJB 5th (53 players)
Nov 18 444AJB wins, passthesalsa 2nd (75 players)
Nov 17 444AJB wins, passthesalsa 2nd (58 players)
Oct 16 444AJB wins, passthesalsa 2nd (60 players)
Sept 23 444AJB wins, HalKatB 2nd, (76 players)
Aug 16 444AJB wins, HalKatB 2nd (81 players)
July 21 AJB44444 wins, HalKatB 5th (60 players)
July 16 HalKatB wins, FridayBlack 2nd (73 players)

I suppose it is just a coincidence on the number of times these names share a Final Table where they finish 1st and 2nd???

this is all really disappointing


guess I shouldnt have expected much more of merge

I'm in the same boat of many in this thread. I do not play O8 games / tourneys, but I certainly am interested in this thread. (I play micro NLHE cash on merge FWIW)

If such suspicious activity is going on and not being dealt with and publicly made known, then there is most likely similar things happening at nearly all other exploitable opportunities.

From collusion rings, botting, superusers, or whatever shady stuff goes down it always seems to be the worst when dealing with the Kahnawake Gaming Commission...

I'd love to think this is just an isolated incident and everything is fine with the merge network, but I would also love to believe there really is a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow.

That's just crazy, but when you think of the advantage you have from seeing 8 or 12 cards and being able to chip dump when necessary, it's not at all surprising. So ugly.

That is ridiculous. I'm done with merge. I know its been talked about, but I'd like to know for sure that someone's emailed cake. I know for sure there was a SN AJB4 and O8Grinder. Theoretically, they can track through any name changes and check everything.

Email has been sent to Cake.

So how i see it Merge skins do not have their own individual security, it all gets handled by Merge security? And the individual skins get charged a % of their rake for this security? Not sure if this is true but if it is you would think merge skin owners would be all over Merge security as well.

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don't lose sleep over people colluding and multi-accounting in .02 .04 tables, give them more credit than that, please...

I kind of disagree (not about colluding at 2nl) but the image that a site puts forward regarding the fairness of games. I think every single player on a site (play money included) has the right to expect a game that is on the up and up.

It is also healthy for poker economy as a whole to have micro/rec/fish/depositors (not saying player referred to is) believing the games are not crooked.

Thx to all who helped out this. Just another piece of evidence that pokersites should never be relied on solely to police games (cough cough bovadadog).

Lol never said I lose sleep over it. I never claimed evidence of cheating at the games i play, and I am a winner at the limits I play. Most of my play since black friday has been recreational.

Regardless your comment is a complete troll. It doesn't matter if someone is testing a self built LOSING bot at the micro tables, or if 7 out of 9 players are playing from the same IP at NL5k. Transparency and a sense of security / regulation are the main issues here. GoDeViLs hits it on the head that every player has the right to expect every game to be dealt fairly. And in any case it is not, then the players should be informed as soon as evidence is found.

Again it doesn't matter the stakes or the game, if AJB was able to accomplish this deception for as much profit as he has, it would be extremely naive to think this sort of thing isn't happening in other areas.

I think it shows absolute collusion, even without seeing the individual hands. Although, if I was Merge, I would be pulling all those thournaments and looking at the full action/HHs to see if these results can be 100% confirmed, and if so should be reversed and money transferred to players who would be moved up with the colluders Disqualification.

Then banning all the players involved, and publicly disclosing that they found real collusion, if that is the case.

The amount of 1st and 2nd place finishes certainly is not a normal circumstance.

Tx for exposing this guys.

I play O8 tourneys on stars quite regularly and have played with AJB and salsa numerous times. It upsets me that this goes on as the fields are small and it gives these guys a huge advantage. These guys have no conscience. Sucks to find out you got cheated.

I hope they get what they deserve.

Tx again and keep it up.

Ribout

Ps. Funny thing...all these cheaters wives and families play poker at the same tome...my wife doesn't play poker...lol

Good work by everyone here. This is pretty ridic. to see someone had such a huge advantage in a small field tourney.

The responses and explanations and lack thereof from the parties involved are pretty lol

Hopefully Merge security does its job and also reimburses funds to players.

what a pos

with a deeper look WEC's post could lead to some even more insidious numbers- like who gave the remaining of their chips to whom, how often did multi-account shorties get a friendly double up to get back in the game etc, and the obvious how much did they avoid each other/soft play.

the sheer number of times a multi-account gets exactly second to AJB seems on its face disgusting.

We'll almost certainly never hear the answer on it- but I'd like to know whether location was being spoofed by these accounts. We already understand Merge security is a joke, but jfc if they didn't see same household accounts and alleged "horses" finishing near the top together at a ridiculous rate well I don't even...

The thing is I doubt Merge is going to look into it. If they do I doubt they would disclose it publically. The lack of response by anyone from Merge. If they do find anything I doubt they are going to compensate any players as they wouldn't want to lose all that money. Just my 2 cents of course.

Nobody will expect Merge to pay them out of their own pockets. Hopefully they froze all of his money. Who knows how they would distribute it tho?

Something that i notice that makes me know AJB was in control of these accounts is that everytime 444AJB got heads up for the tourney with another suspected account 444AJB won. From my experiences with AJB he enjoys the recognition he gets for his poker success and if he were to get heads up with himself he would definately make sure HIS account came out the winner so he could build his stats.

I bet if you look at the HU play between 444AJB and passthesalsa or HalKatB you would see play that shows passthesalsa and HalKatB not trying to win the HU battle.

Here something else i found that points to AJB4 and passthesalsa being the same person....When you check AJB444 (Stars) (Cake) or AJB4 (FTP) (Bodog) on PTR youll see that he rarely messes with cash games but when he does he likes to play LHE from $1-2 all the way to $5-10...if you check passthesalsas Stars account youll see he also loves LHE cash games at the same stakes....(small sample but its still fishy)

The both play primarily O8 tourney yet when they play cash they both like to play LHE.....coincedence? I think not

WOW, that looks very incriminating. insanely well done. it appears the house of cards is collapsing quickly and completely.

"Something that i notice that makes me know AJB was in control of these accounts is that everytime 444AJB got heads up for the tourney with another suspected account 444AJB won. From my experiences with AJB he enjoys the recognition he gets for his poker success and if he were to get heads up with himself he would definately make sure HIS account came out the winner so he could build his stats."

Yeah given he was/is heavily involved in staking sites, building his stats is a good reason to cheat. Kind of sick, I actually took part in staking this guy once.

Interesting how ya never played live tourneys now Art......I definitely never have believed you and your wife played in seperate rooms....I do think you guys play a different style...but i definitely think you take over late at times...

Note that PunkyBeau also played on Merge in May and June 2011 100% Omaha Games with a 67% ROI $19 ABI 12/40 ITM

Very good point. I agree completely and this seems extremely incriminating... not that he isn't already blatantly guilty. Hopefully the jackasses at Merge check on these heads up matches cause none of us can.


Also great observation! I still find it hilarious that he identified HalKat ITT but not Salsa. It's almost like he wants himself to seem guilty...

Nice find. Hopefully this account gets locked as well.

PunkyBeau - no doubt here - another good find WEC.

Might already be locked.

PunkyBeau only played from May 10 to June 7 - all PLO8 and winning $468.
It never played another hand on Merge after winning 1/115 ($10PLO8 for $334) on June 7.

lol @ PunkyBeau playing ALL PLO8 and NEVER playing vs. 444AJB, passthesalsa, HalKatB - yet 21 of his 40 MTTs had O8Grinder