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04-09-2010 , 08:08 AM
how do they choose which deck to use?
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04-09-2010 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
They've explained it somewhere before. Yes, the machines shuffle up a whole bunch of decks in advance, scan the cards into the computer, and store the decks for use later. That shuffle and scan is supposedly videotaped and the deck given some unique identity for auditing. Yes, the actual deal seen on the table is a computerized deal 100%, the cut and burn is simulated by computer, everything. There is no physical cut, no physical burn, no physical deal. The only thing the real cards are used for is the source deck to scan in to the computer. All they've done is replace a digital RNG with a physical RNG to create the source deck. Everything else about the deal is no different from any other poker site (other than letting you do a virtual cut which is meaningless in a random deck).

This doesn't reduce the chance of the site rigging the deal at all. It does however, give them a nifty new source of revenue from players who ask for the video audit for sixty bucks per hand.

RealDeal!

A site designed by idiots

Financed by fools

Run by morons

Promoted by simpletons

For the use of halfwits
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04-09-2010 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
how do they choose which deck to use?
RNG?
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04-09-2010 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
how do they choose which deck to use?
The deck is chosen on the basis of who they want to win the hand.

Obviously.
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04-09-2010 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki

RealDeal!

A site designed by idiots

Financed by fools

Run by morons

Promoted by simpletons

For the use of halfwits
Why **** on the site like that? They've identified a market that they feel is big enough to feed their site, and they may be right. If people want to play there, good for them.

Then we can wait for the inevitable: Real Deal is Rigged! posts, where they're accused of only picking decks that produce "action hands" and discard the other decks, etc. etc. etc.
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04-09-2010 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
The deck is chosen on the basis of who they want to win the hand.

Obviously.
Since the seating order is known, and the deck order is known, it would be a trivial task for the computer to pick a deck that gives known cards to a targeted player. With a large enough library, they just find a deck that has the desired cards behind that cut position and then deal them. At a 9-player table if I want seat 1 to get AA, I find a deck that has an Ace at the first and 10th spot behind the cut position. Or 2nd and 11th with a burn card. For example. If they shuffle and store a million decks in advance then there are many possibilities to choose from. An insider could pick decks that deal good cards to him. He could cut to known positions that give him a favorable hand and board. Every deck is set up. I'd rather have a realtime RNG like a real site.
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04-09-2010 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Why **** on the site like that?
Because it's a ridiculous concept that actually makes rigging easier as I mentioned above and Spadebidder has elaborated upon.

Because it's market will evaporate as soon as the riggies discover their results are just as bad as on any other site.

Because they actually did have real shills on 2+2.

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They've identified a market that they feel is big enough to feed their site, and they may be right. If people want to play there, good for them.
If you say so.

It shouldn't do decent players any real harm other than perhaps removing some of the worst players from other sites temporarily.

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Then we can wait for the inevitable: Real Deal is Rigged! posts, where they're accused of only picking decks that produce "action hands" and discard the other decks, etc. etc. etc.
You've really answered your own question here.
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04-09-2010 , 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
Since the seating order is known, and the deck order is known, it would be a trivial task for the computer to pick a deck that gives known cards to a targeted player. With a large enough library, they just find a deck that has the desired cards behind that cut position and then deal them. At a 9-player table if I want seat 1 to get AA, I find a deck that has an Ace at the first and 10th spot behind the cut position. Or 2nd and 11th with a burn card. For example. If they shuffle and store a million decks in advance then there are many possibilities to choose from. An insider could pick decks that deal good cards to him. He could cut to known positions that give him a favorable hand and board. Every deck is set up. I'd rather have a realtime RNG like a real site.
That was exactly my thinking.
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04-09-2010 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Because it's market will evaporate as soon as the riggies discover their results are just as bad as on any other site.
I think this thread shows just how resistant the riggies are to making logical connections like that. On RD they'll just chalk it up to variance. I have no idea whether it will be viable long term, just saying there may be a market for it and it may be sizable enough to keep it going.

It would be pretty funny though if they end up being caught rigging by deck selection!
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04-09-2010 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
my side is looking rosier and rosier
Really? What makes you say that? Surely when Realdeal starts up everybody will start playing there and there wil be less opportunity for the big sites to get caught?

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Since the seating order is known, and the deck order is known, it would be a trivial task for the computer to pick a deck that gives known cards to a targeted player. With a large enough library, they just find a deck that has the desired cards behind that cut position and then deal them. At a 9-player table if I want seat 1 to get AA, I find a deck that has an Ace at the first and 10th spot behind the cut position. Or 2nd and 11th with a burn card. For example. If they shuffle and store a million decks in advance then there are many possibilities to choose from. An insider could pick decks that deal good cards to him. He could cut to known positions that give him a favorable hand and board. Every deck is set up. I'd rather have a realtime RNG like a real site.
Damn. I knew somebody would beat me to it.

I genuinely thought that RealDeal was just a running joke after some lunatic said he had a pipedream about it on this forum.

I just watched a couple of those videos and I think the guy realises that his burn cards and deck cutting has absolutely no effect on the fairness or randomness of the games but I'm pretty sure many of his customers won't.

I just can't wait for AMEC and his dozy crew to start saying stuff like "if you just flopped a set always cut the deck at a position divisible by the number of players at the table -2 to increase your chance of getting dealt an ace next hand". When they start to see "patterns" relating to where the cut the random deck they might realise that the "patterns" they were seeing on other sites were nonsense too. Not that they can explain what those patterns are anyway.
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04-09-2010 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RockstarPoker
oh and if it's truely a bad beat, you got your money in with the best and overall you should be +ev
The premise of the complaint is that that's not happening princess.
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04-09-2010 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PikachuDemolisher
The premise of the complaint is that that's not happening princess.
While its great that apparently you are starting to read the thread from the beginning, the post you replied to was from page 1. Please do not tell me that you are planning on replying to two years worth of posts!
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04-09-2010 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by PikachuDemolisher
You shills are so naive. Dont you see rigging is the way of the world? It always has and always will be. Take golf for example. I caddied for 5 years so you can call me an expert. Yet it wasnt until I entered the underground of golf that leanred things that would BLOW YOUR MIND. Did you know pro golf is rigged? They do it to sell golf clubs. Make you think you just arent as good yet becuae the pros have the better equipment. Sound familiar? Truth is pro golf is not a striahgt game. There is an eloborate system of magnets underneath the greens and surrounding fringes. The balls have reactive metal cores that a team of computer operators then manipulate during play to make the ball do things they want to control the outcome of matches. You wont find that info on wikipedia.
Dude, that's the craziest **** I've ever heard. You can't be serious? I mean, you actually believe that? The underworld of golf? Magnets underneath the green? Do you see how statements like this not only kill your "street credit"(lol) but "riggies" as well.
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04-09-2010 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Dude, that's the craziest **** I've ever heard. You can't be serious? I mean, you actually believe that? The underworld of golf? Magnets underneath the green? Do you see how statements like this not only kill your "street credit"(lol) but "riggies" as well.
re-level?
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04-09-2010 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PikachuDemolisher
You shills are so naive. Dont you see rigging is the way of the world? It always has and always will be. Take golf for example. I caddied for 5 years so you can call me an expert. Yet it wasnt until I entered the underground of golf that leanred things that would BLOW YOUR MIND. Did you know pro golf is rigged? They do it to sell golf clubs. Make you think you just arent as good yet becuae the pros have the better equipment. Sound familiar? Truth is pro golf is not a striahgt game. There is an eloborate system of magnets underneath the greens and surrounding fringes. The balls have reactive metal cores that a team of computer operators then manipulate during play to make the ball do things they want to control the outcome of matches. You wont find that info on wikipedia.
I wonder what the ppl that are called pros have to say about this.
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04-09-2010 , 05:12 PM
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I wonder what the ppl that are called pros have to say about this.
Just wait till Stiverson and the Illuminatti find out that he's about to expose their "underground golf operation"....
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04-09-2010 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Dude, that's the craziest **** I've ever heard. You can't be serious? I mean, you actually believe that? The underworld of golf? Magnets underneath the green? Do you see how statements like this not only kill your "street credit"(lol) but "riggies" as well.
Did you see Tiger's approach shot on that dog leg left yesterday? Did you see what that ball did once it hit the green and think "That defies physics"? Well you should have thought that because it does. Theres no way that ball rolls back down after rolling up to the fringe withouth PHYSICS DEFYING MAGNETS.
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04-09-2010 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by PikachuDemolisher
Did you see Tiger's approach shot on that dog leg left yesterday? Did you see what that ball did once it hit the green and think "That defies physics"? Well you should have thought that because it does. Theres no way that ball rolls back down after rolling up to the fringe withouth PHYSICS DEFYING MAGNETS.
Idiot. Magnets just don't make sense. If the magnets were strong enough to attract the balls from so high all sorts of metal would be flying onto the field. No wonder you're a rigtard. Anyone with half a brain knows its nano-robots controlling the movement of the ball!
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04-09-2010 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by PikachuDemolisher
Did you see Tiger's approach shot on that dog leg left yesterday? Did you see what that ball did once it hit the green and think "That defies physics"? Well you should have thought that because it does. Theres no way that ball rolls back down after rolling up to the fringe withouth PHYSICS DEFYING MAGNETS.
Dude, it's called back spin....

You hold L2 and keep hitting down...

You obviously never golfed or don't know how to...

By far the craziest Holden Caulfield theory I've ever heard.
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04-09-2010 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Idiot. Magnets just don't make sense. If the magnets were strong enough to attract the balls from so high all sorts of metal would be flying onto the field. No wonder you're a rigtard. Anyone with half a brain knows its nano-robots controlling the movement of the ball!
LoL'd...Could imagine the magnetic field underneath the 18th green at the Masters, going nuts then pull apart the grand stands, killing hundreds.
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04-09-2010 , 05:41 PM
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LoL'd...Could imagine the magnetic field underneath the 18th green at the Masters, going nuts then pull apart the grand stands, killing hundreds.
Like this could ever happen - the Grandstands are made of aluminum, not the same steel core as the golf balls.
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04-09-2010 , 05:44 PM
Sup guize!

I've not looked in on this fantastic thread lately, and I just wanted to check that online poker is still 'rigged', and that the tards are still moaning about it rather than admitting that they simply suck at poker.

Just had my first IRL rigtard conversation with someone with whom I am casually acquainted, when we got into a casual discussion about poker. Anyway he told me this bad beat story that I 'absolutely had to hear', and how he is now convinced that it's rigged because his flopped set got 2-outered by an overpair when he was down to the last couple of hundred runners in Stars' Sunday ¼ Million; I tried to give a quick explanation of how standard it really was, and all he could do was moan about 'action flops' and that it was rigged, rigged rigged and so unfair. I mean, a grown man acting like a 5-year-old who's on a sulk because he thinks that little Johnny got a slightly bigger piece of fried chicken than he did at a birthday party — it was all I could do not to laugh in his face. He's an otherwise intelligent human being who is the General Manager of an entire leisure and entertainment complex with a staff of dozens and an annual turnover of millions of pounds.

I naïvely thought that this whole thread was a gigantic level for people with nothing better to do than bait other people who get drawn into defending the game, and that nobody intelligent enough to get as far as finding 2p2 was really actually quite so stupid as to believe all this rigtard crap about action flops and whatnot. But having seen it for real from an otherwise intelligent person was just brilliant, and has really made my week.

Fwiw, I had a look at that Real Deal Poker thing. While it obviously is not going to be any less rigged, or for that matter any more rigged, than anywhere else, all those gimmicky features like cuts and burn cards are probably going to appeal to the morons who don't recognise how much they suck, and it could well take off. Of course, eventually there'll be decent players who will consider it worth their time to go and play there, and separate these muppets from their cash, and then, when the rigtards lose just as much money as they used to on their old site, Real Deal will be branded as rigged just like everywhere else. Anything but face up to the fact that they can't play the game. But with a canny marketing strategy, ie one that is not fronted by someone who makes Cletus Spuckler sound articulate, it will probably make the owners a decent amount of money.

Anyway, carry on tarding folks. GL
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04-09-2010 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Idiot. Magnets just don't make sense. If the magnets were strong enough to attract the balls from so high all sorts of metal would be flying onto the field. No wonder you're a rigtard. Anyone with half a brain knows its nano-robots controlling the movement of the ball!
No no no, they have to hit the green. Its once it hits the green that the magets take place. These are very preceise magnet grids. Think pixels but in magent plates.

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Originally Posted by tk1133
Dude, it's called back spin....

You hold L2 and keep hitting down...

You obviously never golfed or don't know how to...

By far the craziest Holden Caulfield theory I've ever heard.
The ball had NO backspin as it rolled up to the fringe. It was ROLLING UP. Then it suddenly changes and rolls back? Pay attention you godam shilltard.
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04-09-2010 , 05:51 PM
Sometimes [accidentally] I'll hit up page one of this thread.. then I immediately think.. damn, these guys are going backwards! This looks like no one's been reading the thread

Tbh though, this end of thread is not much better. The riggies are still misinformed and as ridiculous as they've always been. If most riggies would start with page one, I don't think most of them would even post itt.

PenileDemolisher might be an exception.
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04-09-2010 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TeamTrousers
Sup guize!

I've not looked in on this fantastic thread lately, and I just wanted to check that online poker is still 'rigged', and that the tards are still moaning about it rather than admitting that they simply suck at poker...
You suck at life. Thanks for the great story tho, you must be a recovering "rigtard...?"

BTW from reading that, I am wondering if you speak with a lisp?
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