Do you know if the next audit will follow any of what you said? I got an email from Josem/MichaelJ/senior member of Poker Stars security team who was personally responding to all of my emails saying that an audit was very recently performed. Have you heard anything about this?

U have any links about this new audit?

Does anyone else get the impression someone's talking to himself?

i dont even understand half of what he is talkin about. he sounds smart and he sounds like hes on my side. im in...

I'm seriously ashamed to having ever been a riggie ><

Algorithms are always carried out non-randomly. That's true by definition.

If you were do it any other way you wouldn't be carrying out the algorithm.

There's nothing wrong with having suspicions or concerns.

The only thing that anyone needs to be ashamed of is obdurately insisting that something is so despite:

1) Having no evidence whatsoever.
2) Having significant evidence to the contrary.
3) Having a set of logical reasons why it is probably not so and not having any arguments to counter these.

Well, until some people took some time to help me understand some things better, I was 0 for 3 on those points ><

Oh well, live and learn

You have sincerely earned your $25 for this one

For those still involved in and adding value to the now locked "Stars admits to RNG NOT being audited since 2003" thread, here is a link to it, for ease of reference.

MH

well this is why these threads are a really good thing for poker in general because NO ONE IS WATCHING THEM...UIEGA guarantees that

so we as players have to police it ourselves and poker stars or any other site for that matter has never allowed data mining of their sites...the problem is that you'd have to collect massive amounts of data from different sources and how to you detect whether or not it's random even if you had that data? there is just no pheasible way to do it even the smartest math wizzes in the world don't know how to

and to say that these sites are unequivocably not rigged is just completely ignorant....I am not suggesting they are because i don't think they are but if they don't have full disclosure then they certainly could be...people and companies will always do what they can to benefit themselves it's just human nature and it's much more prevalent in the gambling world...there is no morals when it comes to gambling money, people think if you get burned gambling you deserved it

so if the pokers sites are rigged you can be sure that the only party it benefits is the companies themselves and if I wanted to rig it to benefit me i'd make it so that the less skilled players have just a wee bit more luck than the good players so that they keep depositing

i've done a little more research and asked my math friends if technology has advanced enough to produce a truly random sequence of numbers and to a man again they said no

THESE RNG's ARE NOT RANDOM...you will never ever have probabilities that exactly match real cards, but that does not mean it's intentional by stars, it's a consequence of the fact that you can't make a virtual shuffle random no matter what you do and the closer you want to make it to match real cards the slower it will be and the more expensive it will be

upshot of it is this - accept the fact that it isn't random, and improve your game because the skilled players are still winning despite the handicap they just aren't winning as much

You have it precisely backwards.

A virtual shuffle can be completely random, a human dealer cannot be completely random (though it can be random enough for all intents and purposes).

explain please, thank you

Which is why no one is claiming this.

explain please, thank you

If the RNG's were not random, [some] people would be able to "figure out" the patterns. Guess what?



** I wonder if slot players or video poker players worry and bitch about "randomness" or any kind of "rigging" like these riggies do?? And who do they bitch to? I feel sorry for whoever that might be

heheheh, your MTT game must be a lot better than your cash game, though from what I'm seeing in the HH's that's very doubtful

Can't you ask your math friends to come over here and explain why they believe a hardware RNG cannot be random?

Can you point to any post in this thread that states they are definitely not rigged?

If you asked that question as stated here, get new maths friends.

If you asked if there is a mathematical method of generating truly random numbers, they are correct - but that's hardly news.

Not to beat about the bush, you are talking nonsense.


BTW, the next time you drop in on your maths friends, why not say hello to your punctuation friends as well?

Just a thought.

The summary will be published here in coming days:

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/rng/

I'm sure it'll garner lots of loving attention from people here when it is published, so I am confident no one will miss the update.

Please write your posts again bearing in mind that at the moment it's impossible to tell whether they are written by a gibbering idiot who's inserted a few half remembered ideas from a long ago stat's class or someone who has some sort of clue but zero capability of expressing it clearly.

Thanks.

First of all he's correct.

Secondly, his math friends will come in here and punctuate all over this thread.

Third, I'm in a bad mood b/c I have no more redbull this morning.

^^ Another quality post by tk1133.

Once you've replenished your redbull, perhaps you could elaborate?

Making everyone count....

AROUT, I reckon coffee makes me nervous....

Poker is a simulator, that can be tweaked and manipulated.

Most importantly, if I know something is going to happen, it's not "random" is it?

Ouch!