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03-09-2010 , 12:21 PM
FWIW i have 362,000 real money hands played on Stars, I just received the email back. I honestly thought it would be about twice that many.
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03-09-2010 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
See Arouet, that's more how it is done if you want to be a "mean shill."

Keep up the good work, there will be plenty of more riggies long after this guy vanishes.
Thanks Monteroy. I thought I could just jump right in, but I see now that I still have so much to learn. It's rather overwhelming, really. I'm still feeling that urge to be polite. I just hope I have what it takes.
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03-09-2010 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Doblemeist
blah blah blah
LOL why does Sn8ke always reappear, post in a FTP Mods thread, and then eventually come over here and get himself banned?
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03-09-2010 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
FWIW i have 362,000 real money hands played on Stars, I just received the email back. I honestly thought it would be about twice that many.
Foreshadowaments.


Zero chance you become a non-riggie if spade is crazy enough to show your results are within statistical expectations.
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03-09-2010 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Foreshadowaments.


Zero chance you become a non-riggie if spade is crazy enough to show your results are within statistical expectations.
can u please stop trolling me?
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03-09-2010 , 12:29 PM
oh and if I do convertg, the prop bet is still on BTW. Just bc I changed sides doesnt man our bet is over. 5 years is 5 years
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03-09-2010 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Thanks Monteroy. I thought I could just jump right in, but I see now that I still have so much to learn. It's rather overwhelming, really. I'm still feeling that urge to be polite. I just hope I have what it takes.

With practice you will see results, and you too will have people at the table with heartwarming comments like the following:

ubistonk said, "u r less pleasant than the AIDS disease"


Keep in mind the goal - riggies are chaffe for one's amusement, so while you should always seem polite in terms of language (no swearing or direct name calling), you know you have hit the sweet spot when you can see their fragile riggie emotions explode.

This process is much quicker, as it should only take me a few posts to get a real angry reaction from this latest riggie the MTT whiner, whereas you and spade could spend dozens of posts and several days before choosing that may have been the right choice from the start.


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can u please stop trolling me?
Shows the first crack in his riggie dam. Now he is "annoyed." Ooh, scary... Best part is that it gets easy from this point. Try it, it's quite fun.
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03-09-2010 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
FWIW i have 362,000 real money hands played on Stars, I just received the email back. I honestly thought it would be about twice that many.
That's enough to analyse on its own regardless of what else you have. More is even better.
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03-09-2010 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
can u please stop trolling me?
Have you shipped the HH's yet.
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03-09-2010 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
That's enough to analyse on its own regardless of what else you have. More is even better.
what do you mean "what else I have" 362K is the total number of real money hands I have ever played on Stars
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03-09-2010 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
what do you mean "what else I have" 362K is the total number of real money hands I have ever played on Stars
I meant other sites.

If you just got those from Stars they should already be in some number of zip files. Can you just upload them to some filesharing site and provide the link? Or I can PM you an email address if the files aren't too big. If they emailed them to you then they should be OK.
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03-09-2010 , 12:38 PM
I am waiting for Stars to send me all of my HHs I have ever played. They will send them all at once. When I get them Ill post here and someone can help me zip them and send them or whatever I have to do. there is a little more than 362,000 total hands
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03-09-2010 , 12:39 PM
Oh, no Im really just concerned about Stars since that is where I do about 80% of my play
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03-09-2010 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
I meant other sites.

If you just got those from Stars they should already be in some number of zip files. Can you just upload them to some filesharing site and provide the link? Or I can PM you an email address if the files aren't too big. If they emailed them to you then they should be OK.
upload... filesharing. this is about the point where I get clueless.

i would feel better if I could just email them to you. can this be done?
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03-09-2010 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
ubistonk said, "u r less pleasant than the AIDS disease"
What a strangely amusing comment. Dare I ask what you said to them to illicit this response?
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03-09-2010 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
upload... filesharing. this is about the point where I get clueless.

i would feel better if I could just email them to you. can this be done?
I'll PM you with an address.
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03-09-2010 , 12:47 PM
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I'll PM you with an address.
We all know it... bingblangblaow@spadebidder.com
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03-09-2010 , 12:54 PM
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We all know it... bingblangblaow@spadebidder.com
I like it, and as of now that's a valid address to me. Just created it.
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03-09-2010 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
I like it, and as of now that's a valid address to me. Just created it.
Haha! Love it!
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03-09-2010 , 04:39 PM
jbdavies post gets "riggies" like me "flocking and believing it" because everything he says happens to us regardless how poor or good we play.
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03-09-2010 , 04:57 PM
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jbdavies post gets "riggies" like me "flocking and believing it" because everything he says happens to us regardless how poor or good we play.
You mean this guy:

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However, in all 20 [Full Tilt] tournaments I collected data on,
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I am currently testing this theory on Poker Stars, and although I have only played in 5 tournaments, so far the data appears to point to the same conclusion.
http://www.pokerhand.org/forum/FindPost447026.aspx

So he has some nice big sample sizes there for sure. Also, try to reconcile his story in that post with the one below.

http://www.pokerjunkie.com/viewtopic...13087&start=45

BTW, both of those exact posts appear on multiple forums.
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03-09-2010 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
Why are you so adament on doing this for me? You gain nothing. I am not paying you. What do you gain?
For me, I actually gain a few things.

1. I gain a chance to show to people the difference between what our mind tells us and what the facts are, re: selective memory

2. I gain a chance to show what the data shows by using data from an uncontaminated (to the riggies) source

3. I get more data to test and verify my opinions against

As for why I'm so adamant about you not having supplied hand histories yet is very simple. Go back and look at your posts, the content of them and the timestamps on them while you were being beligerent about your prop-bet and then go and look at your posts, content and timestamps since Spade and I both offered to analyse your HH's when you said you don't know how to.

As for what you want analysed, I'd say that's actually too simplistic and I would actually want to do more analysis on it than that.
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03-09-2010 , 07:05 PM
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As for what you want analysed, I'd say that's actually too simplistic and I would actually want to do more analysis on it than that.
Same for me. I'll include what was asked, but you have to do more to get the full picture.
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03-09-2010 , 07:37 PM
OK, well you guys can do whatever else you want, I dont care, just as long as you dont let any third party see the HHs.
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03-09-2010 , 07:37 PM
U think 360K hands is enough of a sample? I actually thoguht there would be about twice that many
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