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03-05-2021 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tilter29

I hope someone can provide me some knowledge about this because I can't understand why people like you come to this site and post as often as you do. You aren't looking to help anyone, you aren't looking to show them how and why they are wrong. You are only looking to mock them because they don't have the superior knowledge that you have.
I have never claimed to have superior knowledge than anyone with respect to online poker. I actually mock myself by pointing out that my poker "expertise" is single-tabling a couple of $1 Buckaments per day.

I have said many times that I am a "Rig Agnostic". Show me the data, and I'll believe. Who I do mock are people who make grandiose claims about poker being rigged, then not providing meaningful data to back it up. Most riggies are just whiners. Don't take my word for it (or anyone elses for that matter). Read the last 200 or so posts in this thread. Almost no data. Just "feelz", and "People are evil, so of course online poker is rigged.", etc.

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It's like making fun of a fat person at the gym.
No, it isn't. It's like making fun of people who claim that they have invented a new diet guaranteed to help me lose fifty pounds in two weeks effortlessly.

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I came here to learn and better understand the game but all I have found are a couple of posters who are like 2+2 regs that I made the mistake of holding their opinion as more valid than mine. After going through their other posts and seeing that they have are't looking for the same answers I am but already have it all figured out. Yet why are they always posting here instead of playing? Why aren't you out there crushing it? If I could crush online poker or even show a profit or break even, then I would doing that instead of making my way here trying to figure out where I went wrong.
I'm not crushing poker for one very good reason: because I'm a terrible player. I "earn" about ten cents an hour playing poker. I play for fun.

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How many hands do you play a month? What site do you play on? What stakes do you play? What format do you play?
I'm Chuckychess on Global. I play mostly nanostakes SNG and MTT. Sometimes I play ring games at $.05/.10.

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The people who are "2+2 regs" are playing $1 SNGs and telling me how I am not as superior as they are despite a single piece of evidence or indidcation that they are a winning player other than the fact they tell me they are.
Please show me where I ever claimed to be better than anybody at poker. Thanks.

Last edited by lagtight; 03-05-2021 at 12:06 AM. Reason: spelling and stuff
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03-05-2021 , 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
I have never claimed to have superior knowledge than anyone with respect to online poker. I actually mock myself by pointing out that my poker "expertise" is single-tabling a couple of $1 Buckaments per day.

I have said many times that I am a "Rig Agnostic". Show me the data, and I'll believe. Who I do mock are people who make grandiose claims about poker being rigged, then not providing meaningful data to back it up. Most riggies are just whiners. Don't take my word for it (or anyone elses for that matter). Read the last 200 or so posts in this thread. Almost no data. Just "feelz", and "People are evil, so of course online poker is rigged.", etc.

No, it isn't. It's like making fun of people who claim that they have invented a new diet guaranteed to help me lose fifty pounds in two weeks effortlessly.

I'm not crushing poker for one very good reason: because I'm a terrible player. I "earn" about ten cents an hour playing poker. I play for fun.

I'm Chuckychess on Global. I play mostly nanostakes SNG and MTT. Sometimes I play ring games at $.05/.10.

Please show me where I ever claimed to be better than anybody at poker. Thanks.

If you are able to make .10 cents an hour playing poker than that is better than 99% of the population. I am starting to think the winning online poker player is like a yeti, the lochness monster, or some other fairy tale. How can you make .10 an hour playing those stakes and beat the rake. The rake is so tough to beat at any limit let alone micro right? Isn't rake like 5bb/100 or something?
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03-05-2021 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by tilter29
If you are able to make .10 cents an hour playing poker than that is better than 99% of the population. I am starting to think the winning online poker player is like a yeti, the lochness monster, or some other fairy tale. How can you make .10 an hour playing those stakes and beat the rake. The rake is so tough to beat at any limit let alone micro right? Isn't rake like 5bb/100 or something?
I don't know the rake on Global.

I'm basically winning the equivalent of one big blind per hour ($.10).

edit: Since I mostly play MTT and SNG, the rake is 10%.
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03-05-2021 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by tilter29
If you are able to make .10 cents an hour playing poker than that is better than 99% of the population. I am starting to think the winning online poker player is like a yeti, the lochness monster, or some other fairy tale. How can you make .10 an hour playing those stakes and beat the rake. The rake is so tough to beat at any limit let alone micro right? Isn't rake like 5bb/100 or something?
Unfortunately, if you are trying to beat online poker in today's environment, then you have a real slog ahead of you. I started in 2002, and from then until about 2010, you just printed. Then after BF, everything changed, all the recs were gone and the pros were forced to cannibalize each other. There is much less available than people think.
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03-05-2021 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
...people who make grandiose claims ...then not providing meaningful data to back it up....Just "feelz", and "People are evil...
It's like a religious belief with them!
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03-05-2021 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by peldini
Unfortunately, if you are trying to beat online poker in today's environment, then you have a real slog ahead of you. I started in 2002, and from then until about 2010, you just printed. Then after BF, everything changed, all the recs were gone and the pros were forced to cannibalize each other. There is much less available than people think.
and as true as this is, the game is still quite beatable. If you run high stakes hands through a solver you'll find some wild deviations sometimes. Of course, this may just mean they are exploiting each other, but there are genuine mistakes sometimes too.

You can't really win someone's whole stack instantly every time you flop a set anymore, but if you put the work in and work hard, you can still win and move up in stakes.
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03-06-2021 , 12:05 AM
Just came to say that I'm still rigged. Will update on process...
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03-07-2021 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
I have said many times that I am a "Rig Agnostic". Show me the data, and I'll believe.
Likewise, show me the proof that a site is fair and I'll believe it.

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Originally Posted by lagtight
Who I do mock are people who make grandiose claims about poker being rigged, then not providing meaningful data to back it up.
Yet you fail to mock those who claim it's fair, without any evidence to back that up.
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03-07-2021 , 05:18 PM
Not the way burden of proof works. Disprove a negative (ie: prove it is not rigged) is probably the most common riggie trope, with maybe action flops (which of course would cost sites money) as the potential competition. Riggies definitely like doing things backwards, which is why the riggie commandments are always a good resource for them. Feel free to prove you are not a felon.

Anyway, seems you are a rando who just popped in, so if you look at the recent chat you will see that a different riggie recently asked for proof that his data (that he thought proved a rig) was not proof of a rig. He asked me to do his work for him (as if I would do that for free) and I suggested he go to the stats forum, because odds were around 100% he was doing something wrong. Shockingly he did that and within a short period his basic mistake was pointed out. Here is that thread, though I assume you will not read it.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ts-hh-1786892/

If you ever have a specific riggie theory, you too can test it properly with hand histories, and there are forums filled with people who are expert in that, but then most riggies run away from actual data and people who can show them their errors, so for them I give them their commandments to live by. Note how you are a firm follower of the very first commandment. Enjoy!


Commandment 1: Thou shalt ask others to prove it false

Commandment 2: Thou shalt state an opinion and declare it a fact

Commandment 3: Thou shalt hurl personal attacks

Commandment 4: Thou shalt assume

Commandment 5: Thou shalt have no time to test thy theories

Commandment 6: Thou shalt support thy brethren unconditionally

Commandment 7: Thou shalt believe anything is possible with software

Commandment 8: Thou shalt believe nooone with knowledge of a rig willst ever speak of it

Commandment 9: Thou shalt watch Youtube

Commandment 10: Thou shalt present no data

All the best.
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03-07-2021 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LtUaE42
It's like a religious belief with them!
Sorta. There is "blind faith" and there is "reasonable faith." Some religions are more rational than others.
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03-09-2021 , 05:44 AM
loliwin34

I moved your posts to the proper forum for whining about decent downcards being beaten: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...ky-me-1787109/
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03-10-2021 , 06:11 PM
plan changed, there's no point in practicing and red lining the morons at hu sng because I will still lose every all in anyway, this was only a month of testing at idiot $1.5 stakes and 2500 tournaments with 10k all ins is enough, this is not even counting coolers, which would make me up a lot.

https://imgur.com/a/70ppQZ0

flagged account is flagged account, my play has nothing to do with it, the cards change after all in so i'm not going to give unneccesary money to beady eyed felons.

will stream 25 cent spin and gos until I hit 100k of them, with a good playlist (there's not much to talk about) and let the crooks hang themsleves live on video, should result in 500k-1 million all ins, all hand histories will be professionally analyzed after and results posted on youtube for irregularities, the likes of which nobody has ever seen before.

Stream will start sooner than before as I don't need to practice anything, the people who play 25c sng have severe cognitive deficienies, lower than 90 IQ for sure, but I'll still lose in ev getting it in good, easy enough to show day after day.

GGpoker already killing stars, there's a reason wsop wouldn't even trust them and went with a Chinese upstart instead of the industry leader.

I'll end them.

Last edited by rexchex; 03-10-2021 at 06:18 PM.
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03-10-2021 , 07:27 PM
Poker?IDontKnowHer

I moved your post to the proper forum for you.
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03-11-2021 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by rexchex
plan changed, there's no point in practicing and red lining the morons at hu sng because I will still lose every all in anyway, this was only a month of testing at idiot $1.5 stakes and 2500 tournaments with 10k all ins is enough, this is not even counting coolers, which would make me up a lot.

https://imgur.com/a/70ppQZ0

flagged account is flagged account, my play has nothing to do with it, the cards change after all in so i'm not going to give unneccesary money to beady eyed felons.

will stream 25 cent spin and gos until I hit 100k of them, with a good playlist (there's not much to talk about) and let the crooks hang themsleves live on video, should result in 500k-1 million all ins, all hand histories will be professionally analyzed after and results posted on youtube for irregularities, the likes of which nobody has ever seen before.

Stream will start sooner than before as I don't need to practice anything, the people who play 25c sng have severe cognitive deficienies, lower than 90 IQ for sure, but I'll still lose in ev getting it in good, easy enough to show day after day.

GGpoker already killing stars, there's a reason wsop wouldn't even trust them and went with a Chinese upstart instead of the industry leader.

I'll end them.

Your ev winrate is poor.

Variance dampens with winrate

Husngs are low variance

Improve your game and your variance will decrease

That you are struggling at nano stakes is going to be frustrating.

Good luck working at your game
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03-11-2021 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by rexchex
the people who play 25c sng have severe cognitive deficienies, lower than 90 IQ for sure
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Originally Posted by rexchex
will stream 25 cent spin and gos until I hit 100k of them
OK.

All the best.
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03-11-2021 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by rexchex
plan changed, there's no point in practicing and red lining the morons at hu sng because I will still lose every all in anyway, this was only a month of testing at idiot $1.5 stakes and 2500 tournaments with 10k all ins is enough, this is not even counting coolers, which would make me up a lot.

https://imgur.com/a/70ppQZ0

flagged account is flagged account, my play has nothing to do with it, the cards change after all in so i'm not going to give unneccesary money to beady eyed felons.

will stream 25 cent spin and gos until I hit 100k of them, with a good playlist (there's not much to talk about) and let the crooks hang themsleves live on video, should result in 500k-1 million all ins, all hand histories will be professionally analyzed after and results posted on youtube for irregularities, the likes of which nobody has ever seen before.

Stream will start sooner than before as I don't need to practice anything, the people who play 25c sng have severe cognitive deficienies, lower than 90 IQ for sure, but I'll still lose in ev getting it in good, easy enough to show day after day.

GGpoker already killing stars, there's a reason wsop wouldn't even trust them and went with a Chinese upstart instead of the industry leader.

I'll end them.
Consider changing your psych meds.
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03-11-2021 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by rexchex
plan changed, there's no point in practicing and red lining the morons at hu sng because I will still lose every all in anyway, this was only a month of testing at idiot $1.5 stakes and 2500 tournaments with 10k all ins is enough, this is not even counting coolers, which would make me up a lot.

https://imgur.com/a/70ppQZ0

flagged account is flagged account, my play has nothing to do with it, the cards change after all in so i'm not going to give unneccesary money to beady eyed felons.

will stream 25 cent spin and gos until I hit 100k of them

Stream will start sooner than before as I don't need to practice anything, the people who play 25c sng have severe cognitive deficienies, lower than 90 IQ for sure
I'm sure this is exactly what everyone was missing in their day, 25c action!
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03-11-2021 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybloat
Your ev winrate is poor.

Variance dampens with winrate

Husngs are low variance

Improve your game and your variance will decrease

That you are struggling at nano stakes is going to be frustrating.

Good luck working at your game
lol yeah ok, improve, when I'm down 100 buy ins in pure ev, the redline is me outplaying them, that's all I can control on that rigged site, find me a worse graph for 2500 tourneys, you say nobody provides graphs, I got graphs, hh at every format. millions of hands.

Not really anything I can do if I outplay my opponents and they change their laser mice to make me lose after the cards are all in regardless. you play well, get dealt ak, idiot outplayed low on chips jams with a6, 6 comes everytime, oops.

Anyway, you all a bunch of cucks too scared to admit scummy people exist because it bursts your little bubble idea of the world you created in your head for yourselves to protect you because you can't handle how people really are. just keep yapping here about GTO coaching or other scam nonsense or whatever you spend your days typing about, save up for those upswing 'labs'.

You're all banned from the anti-pokerstars treehouse when it launches, don't want weak people. I'll have viewers, run the thing for 20 years if I have to.

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03-11-2021 , 01:01 PM
yah, the graph shows you are a losing player over that sample.

your redline is likely symptomatic of your leaks v the player pool, not a sign you are unlucky

hope you do better in your 20 year .25c spin and go grind.
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03-11-2021 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybloat
yah, the graph shows you are a losing player over that sample.

your redline is likely symptomatic of your leaks v the player pool, not a sign you are unlucky

hope you do better in your 20 year .25c spin and go grind.
how about the yellow line vs the green line? what does that show?
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03-11-2021 , 02:12 PM
you ran bad.

that you want to focus on that and a positive redline rather than the fact the ev line says you have leaks v the $1.5 pool say a lot about you.

not as much as your willingness to grind 0.25c spins for 20 years as a response, but there you go.

post your preflop and flop %'s in the husng forum and youll have 4-5 people who will freely plug a few leaks for you, probably $50s of value lying on the floor right there for you.

but i think we know what you will do, focus on luck
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03-11-2021 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybloat
you ran bad.

that you want to focus on that and a positive redline rather than the fact the ev line says you have leaks v the $1.5 pool say a lot about you.

not as much as your willingness to grind 0.25c spins for 20 years as a response, but there you go.

post your preflop and flop %'s in the husng forum and youll have 4-5 people who will freely plug a few leaks for you, probably $50s of value lying on the floor right there for you.

but i think we know what you will do, focus on luck
you are a moron, 100 buy ins below ev is not a leak or 'you ran bad', there is literally nothing I can do I got it in good every time.

I saw your post history defending doug polk angling DN, challenging him to his game on his rules, and legit no sarcasm challenged doyle brunson, a 90 year old battling cancer, to play hu online, so it's clear you're a typical poker scumbag.

Keep lapping up that creampie after his latent sexuality dippity doo 1998 spikey hair self barely manages to screw his gold digging girlfriend.

male poker groupies, never knew such a thing existed, saddest thing I've ever seen, worse than OJ simpson twitter followers.
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03-11-2021 , 02:49 PM
having a negative ev line at nano stakes is the result of strategy leaks and indicative of getting it in bad, lots

the self own of you using posting history to determine personality traits is rather indicative of your mental game leaks

gl with the .25c grind
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03-11-2021 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybloat
having a negative ev line at nano stakes is the result of strategy leaks and indicative of getting it in bad, lots

the self own of you using posting history to determine personality traits is rather indicative of your mental game leaks

gl with the .25c grind
Do you even know what negative ev is? it only happens when you get it in good, and nobody is going to comb through anything for me for free, some idiot wanted a graph so I posted it, then you can't say anything, so you tell me to go plug leaks, do you want me to grind them down to 5 chips before the all ins, or is 5:1 advantage not enough before the all in jigging begins?

you are so damn stupid, go jerk off to an old isildur pic or something you never was.

also stop being such a boring schizoid and talk like a human with a personality, mental game leaks? did you buy Fedor's mind training course lol, all of two plus two is banned. that's it.

Last edited by rexchex; 03-11-2021 at 03:04 PM.
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03-11-2021 , 03:36 PM
When your EV line is negative, but your redline is positive it means you got it in bad.

You can still run below EV

For example you get it in with 20% equity and lose : your EV is negative - you got it in bad - and you ran below EV.

Your negative ev shows that even if you did not run bad you would lose to the $1.50 player pool : collectively they are better players than you.
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