Another poker affiliate!!!

Bammmm!!!

That monteroyy chick is also an affiliate, now this chick as well!

Now I see the pattern, these morans come in here defending the sites!!!

I wonder why???

There is a pattern. People like you (whether semi troll or legit) whine all the time, and have fetish fantasies about other dudes on the internet being chicks that you and other riggies often times ask to suck your dick.

Perhaps if you refuse to accept the reality about your database (since you obviously will not have it ever researched), you should at least start to become comfortable with who you are as a human. If you take ownership of your inclinations and orientation in that regard, perhaps you will then start to repeat that process in other areas your life in which you take no ownership or responsibility.

Another pattern you may notice is that the people you complain about continue to actually make money in this industry, so not hard to understand your frustration in that area as well. Anyway, better luck in those 5 NL games you cannot beat.

All the best.

What you dont grasp, and it's high level elementary school stuff, is I deflect to people way smarter than I am in certain matters and they have come up with zero evidence of wrongdoing or violation of probability.

The issue you suffer from is ignoramus gigantism. You're a pompous ass without the pedigree. You're comments reek of someone that has their helmet with the blue dolphin stickers on too tight. You say nothing other than announce, repeatedly, that your genetic structure is the share generations of commonality.

You have the edginess of an orange and the mental capacity of a potato succumbing to botulism. The biggest value you have to society is being eventual fertilizer. Riggies can be amusing. I, and assume the others here, enjoy your posts. Screaming out to the world that you're an imbecile with no neuron function is amusing. For the record, we laugh at you, not your posts.

Presumably all the women who wouldn't go out with you (i.e. all the women) were lesbians?

Also there's only one 'y' in 'monteroy'

That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

You are using it to refer to people whose best interest is that the sites are completely fair.

Naah...I'm a grown up. I wouldn't do that to you. Besides, too much respect for David and Mason what they've accomplished here as well.

Sorry, I remember the convos, but don't remember where it came from. Definitely one programming source though, and definitely there was a discussion about computing power at that time, and why so many quads (this was more on the LHE, but of course, you got more playing Omaha). This was 20-25 years ago, after all. I was playing on a Pentium III back then, I can't even count how many generations ago that was in terms of computing power.

I should also add here that attempts to parameterize limit poker games go back to the late '80s. I had computer work done on O/8 in 1987, for example. Single draw lowball even a couple of years earlier.

Seed %= % of all possible combinatons being dealt from a 52 card deck. This is a fairly common term in the technical papers i've seen dealing with card dealing RNG programs, so I'm not sure why you wouldn't be familiar with it. Certainly you're aware that a computer can never simulate exactly what a live dealer can do.

Let me also reiterate I've seen non-random RNG card dealing programs being marketed at gaming shows like G2E. I'm not saying that WSOP or another operator would use one, but only saying that they're out there-or maybe were out there might be more accurate.

Can you please link one of these technical papers explaining "Seed %"?

So deep bro, you really hurt me with those sharp comments!

You are so hung up on fetishism. Take everything on face value, when I call you guys a bunch of hoes, its got nothing to do with women. It just means you are acting like a bunch of hoes, you know!

As a comedian once said, if I say don't be such a ******, it doesn't mean I have anything against ****'s, it just means, stop acting like a ******, you know!

Owwwhhhh, you got me good bro, so snazzy!!!

I call you bitches because you are acting like 1, thats all. Stop searching for something that doesn't exist! TRying to be all politically correct. I mean you can't be this stupid can you?? You deflecting from the truth because you are a dirt hoe!

It is? If it was fair,. those players they have would go broke as well!

The only reason these **** win is because they are grandfathered in by a relative that works in the space! Friend of a friend or w/e. The rest are housebots!

"A random seed (or seed state, or just seed) is a number (or vector) used to initialize a pseudorandom number generator", according to Wikipedia.

He must mean the number is chosen from 50% - 60% of all possible numbers.

Interesting.

I wonder what 'seed' of readers read the above and think: "Yeah, you tellin' the truth there, bro",

and what proportion think:

"What a total ***ing dickwad"

That's the point - I do take everything riggies say at face value, which tends to annoy them. Riggies are very, very simple creatures so when someone like you keeps calling other men females and requests them to have oral sex - I assume it is a face value request. Seems you agree this is the correct approach with understanding what you are saying.

No need to shovel your fertilizer when you prefer a hoe. No matter, you still can't beat the rake in the online poker garden.

You have no idea what I did with that statement.

All the best.

I cashed out today at WSOP (knowing WSOP, I may see my money by June 1st lol). I lost about 300BBs against what i'd easily consider to be inferior opposition, in about 11K deals. I don't remember going through anything that bad, except once playing black chip against mostly world class opposition. I probably was cheated in those games, but that is only a part of the story. Just was dealt extremely poorly in general. I mention this because these things happen in poker and not being cheated only meant that I was going to lose less.

I will say this, I've never seen anything where the river card was so tilted against me. To the point where I have to question the legitimacy of the RNG program, but at this point I could care less. I'm seeing a game where the worse you play, it seems like the better you do-and that's a problem. Usually, that means scamming is going on, but I really didn't detect much here. If there is bot play, it means the RNG program (again, we're talking a client which is at least 15 years old) may be compromisible, but if you're able to do that, maybe you should take your talents and make real money with that.

Besides, if there were something nefarious going on, I have zero confidence in Caesars/888 to figure it out.

I will leave you with the last pot I played, which convinced me I'm wasting my time on WSOP, because this is like the 15th beat I've taken like this:

Oppo (who in theory should be a really weak player, but plays with a lot of speed) has 7654 with a suit. I have AQ42 with nut hearts and spades.

Oppo raises from the 2 hole, I call one off deal.

Flop comes Q97, Q9 hearts. He leads and three bets me when I raise.
Turn is a 4. He leads again and calls when I get raised.
River is the heart 7. I get check-raised here. He's not only hit another 2 outer (with 6 more for half), it's also the only card in the deck which for certain will cost me 2 bets.

I will say two things and be done with this:

1) I don't believe the result is legit, but it doesn't really matter to me anymore one way or another. I'm not 100% convinced of this, but I'd say 75-80%. After a certain point in time, you should just figure out some sort of message is being sent here, whatever that may be, and to pack up your chips and try something else. If the result was legit, then it's at best a 1% result, probably closer to .2% to .5%. In other words, somewhere IMO between a 1-200 and 1-500 event. At that point, you should consider the possibility that the result wasn't legit. I should also point out that we all know that poker, even games like NLH, are very slow statistically (ok maybe not the NLH so much if the game is really yummy), but after 11K deals, I saw enough.

2) After the coronavirus passes, I'll probably laugh at this. I have a well paying day job, and I'm still successful in the casinos when I have time to play. Life is good, and I'm not going to aggravate myself over this any further. If I'm going to run 3SD+ to the bad at something, might as well be something where I'm risking very little money (relatively speaking) overall. If I ran this bad at slots or video poker, we're probably talking a $75-$100k swing here and I think I lost $3K net.

We're probably looking at 4-5 more weeks of sheltering in place (maybe longer if you're on the east coast) and I can find other hobbies than online poker, and I may make a deposit or two on ACR or Kings Club. It really sucks that the one regulated site you can play on in NV has more issues than the unregulated ones. At least Kings is a semi-private, invite only deal.

I could post a hand, AA34 double suited in a high stakes PLO game and lost to 225J where he called a preflop pot raise OOP and a whiffed flop when I lost. That would prove exactly what you just did. I lost to a weaker hand and that totally proves that no hand preflop is 100% .

You are wrong about the no hand is 100%, and I know because I remember the single time I was ahead 100% preflop in Omaha. I had AAxx and the opponent had KKKK and we were all-in preflop, and after the hand he would not stop yelling about how Pokerstars software was rigged and broken because he lost with his quads. I suggested he write a long email to Pokerstars about it at the time and also post here, but he never did the latter which was a shame. He did the whole "I am cashing out from this crooked site!" screaming as well at the time.

To the riggie 2 posts above (telegram guy):

I did not read past your first sentence, but you definitely made the correct choice in quitting. Other riggies should follow your lead. Feel free to post your whatever whine beat story in the BBV forum as they are very sympathetic to whatever situation happened to you. Here is a link for you.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...rags-variance/

All the best.

Ahh, evergreen: "I can say an RNG is flawed only using my eyes and feels" (or in your case: "because I claim to have worked on RNGs before")

And with all this "wisdom" which would help other players you chose to go the "Nah, don't care. Life is good"-route.

Pathetic.

Methinks you're just here to cause trouble.

I've been doing this a long time and have been successful at pretty much everything I've done in gambling. I provided the sample deal as an example of what I've been facing, and have been careful not to make summary accusations.

But, y'know what, you're right. The accusations generally come from losing players, so that's easy target practice for a troll like you.

I played a little PLO/8 there as well, with the same results. Oppo got to pretty much pluck from the deck, like they did at limit. But as we all know, this can go on a long time in poker. We have periods, either way, where it doesn't matter how well or poorly you play, you're either thinking you're God or you're being cheated.

And yes, I know from computer simulation you will go through periods that you wll feel like you're being cheated. The question becomes, how long should that period be? At the equilavent of 3 months playing brick and mortar poker, I reached my intolerance point.

Finally, like I said, I choose to look at the bright side-better to run at something like this, which is a realitvely cheap minus swing for me in dollars, than something I play for with a lot more monetary variance.

Try reading my post next time before responding.

Another genius. Where did you read that I had sufficient programming experience? I thought I made it clear that I'm just guessing at this, but have quite a bit of experience to make those guesses.

And, yes, I have the right to NGAF.

Try taking Modafiinil before posting next time. It is better for the ADD than Adderall.

Thanks for the advice and fully reading my posts.

When can we get some adult supervision in here?

Well, if by fully reading your posts you mean I read the first sentence and then see more standard white riggie noise that I do not read - then you are correct.

Also, thank you for coming here to share your guesses, and perhaps next time your random hunches will get the praise and adoration you feel they deserve. You should post your life changing, horrific beats (whatever they were, I did not read them) in the BBV forum, and you will get a variant of the emotional support you crave there.

As to your need to be supervised, I suppose you can send a PM to that Gassy riggie who is looking for people online for some of his needs as well. You two may be able to help each other in that regard.

Additionally, congrats on quitting a game in which you do not have fun nor can compete in, and feel free to do a few more rationalization exit posts on your way out, though recognize that routine is as common as riggies whining about action flops and other rigs that make the sites no money.


All the best.

I did, clearly. I also wasn't responding to you in the tone like anyone would to white Gatsby. Tone is lost in text communication, often.

My point was I could select a hand that I was far ahead and get demolished by someone with no business even being in the hand. If I posted that with some anecdotal verbiage it would not mean anything.

Of all the sites around, one with the title WSOP is likely to be the least shady. Think of how it would reflect in their live games.

There is a single way of showing any questionable actions on a network. My hand was just an example of how little credence they have. I have millions of hands from the site I mentioned with no aberration. I've also had weeks where I have run so wildly bad I'm ready to kill someone, as well as crazy good runs.

If someone posted a moderate size history of WSOP showing weirdness....this entire forum would go crazy.

Where did I mention programming experience? You seem to be confused. Maybe take a nap, grandpa.


Yeah, that's why I think you're just another blabbering rigtard who claims to be able to identify a flawed RNG with only his eyes and feels.



Maybe it's you who should be on meds..you know, because you think you can see flawed RNGs. Or just take a nap, grandpa.

It's telling that a riggie playing Omaha doesn't know that quad anything is one of the weakest hands in that game.

Dude what are you not getting. The way hands are losing on WSOP is statistically impossible.

If you are @95 percent post flop and lose in this scenario 80 percent of the time something is wrong.

No jury in the country would say oh that person just had bad luck. These are bad beats that are sustained day after day

Again statistically impossible. Enough with the affiliate circle jerk it’s getting old.

If you think 11K deals is a "moderate" sample size, we're good. That's certainly reasonable, and possibly even helpful to me. I just think it's a little larger than that, but I could be wrong.

Again, it's not worth my time to analyze what went wrong, I'm just moving on. The problem is evertything is upside down from what I see, but you may be right, it may not be enough hands. When I was playing white chip in LA, there were a couple of players like that in our game. The joker eventually ran out on both of them, but one it was like almost 3 years.The one it took 3 years to bust, he was really easy to play against, we're just going to play showdown, and I'm going to have the better starting hand 75% of the time. Once people figured out that was the winning strategy against him, it was just a matter of time. I mean, I always let him put the last bet in, but the trick was letting the first bet be the last one. Just never was going to give this guy an opportunity to outplay me.

Some people may be luckier than others, that part is true. And one of the producers in the game, he was a really weak player, but he was pretty unlucky too. Unfortunately for him, he was a degen and lost his business because of the gambling habit.

As for "WSOP" being least shady...the games may be dealt fairly, but Harrahs/Caesars has no longer been what Bill Harrah represented for many years now, more like what Gary Loveman represents, and that's not a good thing. Believe me, there's quite a bit of shadiness over at Corporate to match the incompetence. One of the most toxic corporate atmospheres I've seen with a gaming company (and I've dealt with many of them).

Consider what I really don't like about the site and the company:

1) Outsourcing online poker to 888.
2) Using a generic client which may be older than some of the posters in this thread, and what comes with that.
3) Skeleton staffing at all levels. Customer service has been outsourced offshore, and that's ridiculous for a company which holds gaming licenses in NV and NJ, among other jxs.
4) I'm fairly confident that there is very little game protection on the site. Their algorithms will likely be able to detect only the most obvious of scamming.
5) As stated previously, Corporate itself is just a raging dumpster fire right now. During the Loveman Era, they did things increasingly on the cheap. How they handle WSOP is indicative of how the company is run.

It's mostly #2. If they had used a client which they had actually built themselves, you likely would never have heard from me. I wouldn't like it, of course, but I'd just keep playing. The fact they're using a client which is a good 15 years old should tell you everything you need to know about the company right there.

Also if I ever had any even medium term success playing on the site, I'd still keep my mouth shut. It's been pretty much an ass pounding from Day 1. I had one good day, and one ok day...in about 25 playing days. I'm also playing games with much lower variance than 6 handed NLH. If we were talking 11K hands at NLH or PLO, I'd agree with you, especially the PLO. But I'm not. So...much easier for me to find another site to play at, even though they're not licensed in NV.

Well, it is unfortunate that you do not have any actual data to verify this easy to prove claim, and before you go on about how this site does not let you have hand histories - understand that riggies before you have and riggies after you will make the same claims on sites where every hand can be downloaded. Do you believe the whiny stuff you are saying? Maybe. Is the stuff you are saying actually true? Nah, if it was then people with much better skill than you would be showing their actual work to prove it. You just whine.

I will give you an example. Take a look at this thread where softplay was discovered using tools and stats you likely did not even know existed. Take a look at that thread and the data that person provided. After that read over your bad beat whines (that I did not read). See the difference? That person provided actual proof. You are just a dude whining about losing poker hands on the internet. All that proves is you lack the emotional stability to properly compete in this game.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...67/?highlight=

Good luck finding a jury that accepts your bad beat whine stories as proof of anything. If you think you really have something here, which of course you do not, then accept this challenge and get away from all the shills and whatever here and post your "data" in the stats forums for the non shills math guys to look over, and see what they say. Here is a link, and I know you will not do it, because in the end you know you are just a dusty donk that came back, lost and is whining about it, so you will engage here for a bit before you poof, but you will not dare to present your, heh, "data" to actual people who know how to analyze real data.

Here you go, the link for you to post your theory and data

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25/probability/


All the best.

This 100 percent.

I’ve played on almost every poker site since 1999. Party poker, stars, true poker, acr, fulltilt. I experienced bad beats on all of them same as live but nothing like 888/wsop. 888/wsop plays like a slot machine.

Keep us updated on the cashout. They still haven’t responded to my last email which was sent almost a week ago. I’m not sure if anyone is even working there anymore. A few buddies who still play there said that PayPal deposits are getting rejected across the board. I’m thinking maybe PayPal got a few chargebacks from “unlucky” players and PayPal won’t take the risk doing business with them anymore.

Wow, 200 word essay from an old idiot. Looking forward for more worthless whining about that new site you lose money on.