You have absolutely no information to base that on. All I said is I pretty much always make it heads up. That is it. You inferred a whole bunch of nonsense into that. Then you dare to complain that people to consider the variance? At least when people complain about actual hands being busted they have evidence for it. All I said is that I regularly get people all-in with dominant hands and get cracked. It seems I get cracked more often than I win and often when I am a huge favorite.

BTW I just had 2 horrible beats on a row on 2 separate tables. First was AA cracked by AJ offsuit with a 4 card flush. Second was AA suited busted by A6 offsuit with a 4 card flush.

Ok believe what you want. In the meantime I would like to thank you for thinking on the "level" that you do, minimizing my competition in the job market. Can't all be high level thinkers am i rite.

What? That sounds like an argument my wife would make when I call her out on her BS. Job market? what?

And another things about these spin and go's...i've never in my life seen so many times where there are multiple pocket pairs in a 3 or 2 person game. It seems every time someone has pockets someone else does too.

Kelvis being compared to a whiny wife is relatively a compliment to him. Anyway, your posts show you do not really have the mental fortitude to handle the game for now, even though I realize you will never accept that and instead will insist that a multi-billion dollar company targets you in small buy in Spins to better show your importance to the world around you.

If you ever become the rare whine riggie that takes account of his own flaws (mental game and probably some poker game issues as well) then you would look back and be amazed at how you sound here for now. I will go with the odds and assume you will reply to this (which had some genuine advice mixed into the snark) with the approach you have used thusfar.

As to the riggie above who quits for the day after losing five or more 80% things in a row, simply quit at 3 or 4 in a row and save yourself money (assuming your belief of the rig is valid, which of course it is not).

All the best.

You are not much different that Kelvis jumping to conclusions on your own readings of what I wrote. I never said there was a conspiracy or that the game is rigged. I clearly said in my first post that I do not believe that to be the case. My point is simply that weird things happen in Spin and Go's that I never see happen in cash games.

I have not quit. I do not go on tilt or any of that other nonsense. I actually do quite well, mostly in low stakes cash games. I recently started playing the Spin and Go's and noticed a difference...that is all. And, btw, even playing $1 spin and go's I am up like $25 so far.

Yikes, calling someone similar to Kelvis is about as nasty an insult as possible!

Spin and Gos are a completely different format than cash games, so of course they will play differently. Can you think of a reason why you see more baby pairs all-in pre-flop in a fast shallow tournament format like Spin and gos than 100BB+ deep cash games? Not sure why you would consider these differences as "weird" (but not a rig while posting about it in a riggie thread). Would you expect to see the exact same styles of poker in these different formats? Ready for something else crazy? Even in the same format the games can play differently, for instance HU cash plays differently than full ring cash. Spooky!



Congrats on being a dozenaire from your massive Spin and Go experience. Also, congrats on noticing differences in completely different forms of poker, even if those differences concern you for some reason. Also, congrats for believing you do not tilt in the $1 games you play, your wife should be proud of that.

All the best.

I know. With 34% thinking it's rigged, even on 2p2, the handwriting is on the wall.

It's rigged to make sure we keep playing, without winning too much or taking too much from losing players. it's all about balancing rake. Anyone who argues against that hardcore - is an affiliate.

Thread.

This poll is not representative of two plus two. Do you understand a self-selection bias? And how small this sample is? Most of two plus two ignores this thread entirely.

Actually, since it's currently at 34.98%, I think you can round up to 35%. Pretty big number for a poker forum, isn't it? Of course, if you put a little thought into it, you'd realize it's indicative of pretty much nothing.

First of all, there's this:

But even if you assume it's a completely scientific and statistically valid poll, there's another problem with your assertion that "the handwriting is on the wall":

That's a post from 2011, about 3 years into the thread. In the 8 years since, the number has actually dropped slightly. So if "the handwriting is on the wall" in regards to the fate of online poker, how many people are saying it's rigged in this thread doesn't seem to be related.

Anyone who argues against this rigging that no one can prove is an affiliate? LOL.

All in split pots are rampant. AA vs AA, KK vs KK, AK vs AK, board runs out a flush or straight that splits the pot, etc.

There are also runs of card death that would span 2 lifetimes of live poker volume. Not possible.

Ofc it's rigged. Nobody actually considers the us sites legit today. Nobody. You have a handful of guys on 2p2 who push the game hard and other than that, nobody. Traffic sucks, the game's not even referenced in pop culture anymore, and if you ask any random guy on the street if he'd make a deposit he'll say either "isn't that illegal?" or "no way! online poker's rigged". Just stating truth.

Right - Because the strongest people on earth, with the highest intellect, play online poker all day and night.

Moron.

I'm not sure if you know what the words "nobody" and "truth" actually mean. And I'm not sure why you would care what any random guy on the street would say, especially since the first thing you think they'd say "isn't that illegal" would be untrue. Regardless, the fact that lots of people have uninformed opinions about something isn't a reason to believe them.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion and you know what mine is. If I was in some huge minority, that would be different. The point is that more people believe these sites are rigged today than ever. I agree with them that something is off about each of the four main us facing sites. I just can't justify putting any more time/money in on it. Nothing is less profitable or more clearly corrupt that I could get involved in. If I'm wrong and just suck at poker and have horrible luck, then so be it.

I can't prove it is rigged and you nor anyone else can prove it's not. People have to look at what's in front of them and draw their own beliefs based off of it. That's my two pennies and I know better than to keep projecting my viewpoint because nothing can be accomplished here. Isn't that a beautiful niche market if you're the one who's the man behind the curtain? There's no way anyone can ever legitimately verify the credibility of their financial transactions through you lol. What a scam.

/departs thread

I assure you that nearly all those I reply to in this thread are individuals I would put fully in the below average category when it comes to thinking ability and emotional control.

For instance, it is a deep shame that you cannot prove your AA vs AA rig, even though it would be among the easiest rigs to ever prove, but as I said - I never expect much from your kind .

For what it is worth, given the choices - it is unlikely the sites are rigged in the simplistic manner you believe (would be easily proven now if it was) and you are most certainly not unlucky (though those around you may feel that they are...). Perhaps you can figure out the rest from your options, or more likely you cannot. Riggies tend to not have the highest intellect after all.

All the best.

Doesn't change my point: Society's best and brightest aren't all crammed up on their computer screen playing online poker on us sites all day and night. There's a reason for that.

Cheerio, Good Friend!!!

Yes, you are very proud of that point for some reason, even though nobody suggested the opposite was ever true. I get that in your mind you are being clever, but you know what you say about players who play on US sites (of which you are one who could not even win at them). To be fair, you have never claimed to bright.

Out of amusement, where specifically are society's best and brightest hanging out in your mind? Perhaps they will let you serve food at one of their parties if you ask nicely.

All the best.

Upon what do you base this assertion?

US traffic is at an all time low. Nowhere, other than 2p2, do any coaches recommend playing on us facing sites. Literally every major US coach tells their players not to play online and only live.

Dude, the cat's *way* out of the bag. I'm astonished that you guys even try to push this anymore. There are no more buyers. The market's stagnant and nobody new is coming in. It's over because of greed and corruption, not GTO.

You don't live in the States. Do you know how many times poker is brought up anymore here? Never. It's a totally dead game b/c the online market died off. Everyone on 2p2 keeps pushing "large sample sizes". You're nuts. Nobody in the States, young enough to be enveloped in the game, has the time nor economics for this nonsense lol. Not with our economy how it is now. The lowest paying jobs, requiring you to just stand there, pay more per week than most ROW regs make per month.

The game is economically not viable at this point. At the very best. At worst? It's a total rigjob.

You have mastered the art of failure talk. You are quite familiar with the topic.

This may surprise you, but given that we are in the year 2019 and Black Friday took place in 2011 - about 8 years have passed since Americans have not been on the major sites. Online poker has been pretty much nothing in the US for many years, so it is a bit odd that you think your proclamations of the limited (pun intended) US market in mid 2019 are revolutionary (another pun intended). You been in a cave (perhaps the one earlier riggies said the rig programmers who kept silent lived) for a long time or something?

The market has matured. The games have changed. Some people adapt and recognize the potential and limitations of the industry. Others, like you, are always many steps behind, so in the end you blame spooky forces even though your inability to ever compete is why you fail and whine. It is your destiny.

The best thing you can do is quit all forms of poker. The worst thing your opponents can have happen is you quit all forms of poker. Fortunately people like you very rarely quit all forms of poker .

All the best.

And yet for years on this forum (I've looked back) you have repeatedly, and vehemently, defended something you yourself cannot be 100% sure of. Do you think we don't know why? Do you honestly think we don't know that you and some mods on these forums get paid for new signups? You've very, very naive.

Cheers, good wishes, merry christmas, and great weekend my good buddy ol' pal!!!!

I have not defended anything, I just enjoy having fun with paranoid, whiny riggies to see what they will say, though most end up being underwhelming such as yourself. I dabbled as well with whiny people in the politics forum before they all got the boot. Anyway, perhaps one day a riggie will actually prove something, but so far for many years they have avoided actual proof as if avoiding a disease, yourself included.

I get that everyone is in on the conspiracy in your mind, but in the end reality is much simpler. People like you can never compete, and when you fail you whine about it. Sadly you whine in a boring, unoriginal way. I get that people like you will always fail, and always whine, but all I ask is that you be less boring. Perhaps the next riggie will manage that. You (as per tradition) failed at that as well.

All the best.

Pretty big leap to assume that means more people think it's rigged, especially when the results of the poll in this thread that you cited earlier show the opposite, but thanks for the answer.

It's quite something how often posters in this thread love to go back to the strawman of saying people are "defending the poker sites" when they're doing nothing of the sort. But I guess once they get it in their heads that the sites are out to get them, they can't see the difference between someone pointing out the flaws in their reasoning, and defending the poker sites.

You are not someone who should be a user in a poker forum. Your negativity and nonsense posts are a downer on those that are here to enjoy the company of poker enthusiasts, so I'm banning this latest account of yours as a favour to help you go on your way. (I'll leave your posts up so that if you do come back yet again you won't be able to add erroneous claims of censorship to your tinfoil hat chunter.)

Cheerio; hopefully forever ... this time.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was the 50th or so iteration of GreenBliss420 and all the other accounts he's had.

The sad part is even with all the riggies who have each created dozens of gimmick accounts to post and vote here - they still cannot get the riggie side of a riggie poll in a riggie thread above 35%. Riggies are such slackers!

is that a reason now in this thread? he was clearly talking about online poker, not poker in general anyway...