Do you require payment to do other things you enjoy?

When you watch football on TV, do you demand the owner of the team make a payment to you?

When you go out for a meal, does the restaurant pay you?

Do you require payment when going out for some drinks with friends?

I'm guessing not, because you enjoy those activities. On the contrary, you wouldn't do your job for free. Essentially that's because you don't enjoy your job, so require some other form of 'reward' to make it worthwhile.

Stuff like this is to subtle to be detected by the blunt tool of database analysis.

For instance, if you get all in preflop with AA 5 times, you might win 4 of them. But the 4 times you win the site will make it so you were up against a 20BB shortstack. The one time you lose it'll be a 300BB pot. I know this because I never get too many bad beats against shortstacks but it happens all the time against full stacks with AA preflop.

Oh I gave up on that goal when the rig kicked in. Nowadays I just withdraw whatever I make at the end of the month so it limits my downside exposure to the sites screwing me over. Plus I actually found my hourly was better at 20nl - which is probably due to the 30nl casino fish been more heavily protected by 888 because they deposit more.

Heh, the Planet Poker story. Was that even in this century? The fact that was discovered shows that those things are discoverable, and as well - nobody had even exploited it. I know the internet scares you, but much has changed in the many years since that story, including the technology used by the poker rooms.

There is also a "screenshot" of 5 aces being dealt on Stars, you should use that as source material as well!


His hands from his previous posting account (lolpotodds I believe) were pretty LOLbad, but those were when he was starting and I am sure even he would look back at many of those hands and cringe at his play then.

He is a dude that has spent a lot of time on his game but pretty much hit his ceiling at the nano stakes/micros. While he adopts a bit of a pro wrestling persona in this thread (which is certainly appropriate), his underlying emotional frustration at the game is fairly common for people of his capped (pun intended) skill level and it tends to hold a player back. He really is basically a sub reg, though no doubt his game has improved over some of the early disasters of hands he posted.

He mentioned being a boozer in a post earlier today, and I do want to clarify that other shills were all hot and bothered about his need to drink. I never really got involved much in that alcohol related chat as he tends to be more interested in his hooker stories when debating me.

I just want him to up his trolling game. That for him is also essentially stuck in the micros, and even people like the dude afraid of the internet that thinks Planet Poker and UB are exciting, fresh stories is outperforming him for the moment. If/when he gets his trolling game better then he will have shills mutter about him even when they are talking to other riggies just like he mutters about me to other shills. A weird, yet accurate indication of one's effectiveness as a troll. Hopefully those previous sentences, which can be interpreted in multiple ways, will inspire him!

I hope this post still qualifies for the $5...

i dont really have much to say but cannot sleep and leave for trip soon so can I still have $5 for posting?

All of the above things require money to enjoy. If they didn't I would not have needed a job that pays money. Just because I require job to pay money does not mean I can't love the job as well. Just because you hate yours and your arguments are stupid ones doesn't mean all people share your ideas.

I would not have stayed doing what I was for so long if I didn't enjoy it.
Ah, too subtle for a database to detect but clear as day to your brain which can't remember a tiny fraction of the data required. Yep, this makes perfect sense. To you even think before you start typing? I guess not.

Wow I can see how something like this would be too subtle for a database to see. You are a genius once again. Your trolls are just soooo lame. I mean come up with some that actually aren't so ******ed a chimp could point out the flaw with it.

Seems very straightforward to detect this with database analysis. Filter for all-ins where you hold AA and final pot>100BB (or any number you like).

Why do riggies always think that something that can be directly observed by them can't be observed in hand histories? This is just downright stupid.

now you can quote it just to see what it should look like and be ok next time. you don't have to go through with posting it after you see.

Are you trying to say there are no bots playing on various poker sites?
Explain.

All the best

Sincerely KK

and his plan has worked just fine on these last couple of shill wanna-be poseurs. their sanctimonious teenage pretensions are way more nauseating than his antics. at least he has a sense of humor.

He is missing a ton of fun, easy spots against some of the newer, humorless shills, so it has been a bit frustrating watching him not up his trolling game against them. Everyone has their skill cap I suppose.


That post had nothing to do with bots, so not quite sure how your head processed it into a bot discussion. As well, bots have nothing to do with the topic of this thread, as there are plenty of bot threads, and I don't back players for certain games on ipoker for instance because of the flood of bots there. If you think bots are scary, you should ask about seating scripts...

I know the internet scares you, but honestly that is your problem.

All the best.

So, you do admit to the bots. Thank You. All the best.
I am not sceeered of the internet. I play on two different sites. I just know there is rampant cheating going on. For you anti-riggies to not see that cheating is going on is beyond my level of comprehension. But, Keep playing. I am sure you will make lots of money. Full Tilt, Ultimate Bet, Lock Poker,
(Fill in Name Here)////Good Luck. All the best.

Heading to live game now. All the best.

it's an accepted fact that there are bots on many (if not all) poker sites. Some sites try harder than others to catch and ban them. Congrats on getting an "anti-riggie" to confirm this!

Yes people do get away with running bots on poker sites. Everyone knows this. Sites vary in their enforcement success.

Yes people do get away with colluding on poker sites. Everyone knows this. Sites vary in their enforcement success.

And none of this has anything to do with any site rigging the poker game or the RNG, for which there has never been any evidence on any site. There are lots of other threads about cheating by PLAYERS.

Okay for the last time. Are you a moron? Or just don't read? It's been said several times that this is NOT the thread for BOTs, COLLUSION or other things like that. It is for if the game is rigged or not. This means is the RnG rigged to fix the game in some manner.

You keep saying we anti-riggies don't understand cheating is going on, and it's beyond your comprehension. What apparently is beyond your comprehension is that we have said to you we know this. Collusion and BOTS are all illegal to use on sites, and so how are you connecting this with a thread that is on sites being rigged BY the sites?

If it is not please go talk about the issue in threads that really relate to the topic maybe.

I have mentioned bots, collusion, fraud and other genuine issues many times in this thread usually in the context of how riggies tend to ignore those in favor of seeing patterns in a couple bad beats. As such, most riggies actually contribute to their own problem.

Again, I have zero idea how you interpreted any post of mine as even being bot related or why you thought I believed bots did not exist. I would be mildly amused to know the "logic" sequence that worked in your brain to get to those conclusions, but generally people like you never answer that.


Basically you just said you are afraid of the internet...



This thread has nothing to do with collusion, bots, fraud etc. It is a thread about whether any of the RnGs of poker rooms are rigged.


Other than $100 or so many years before BF I never had any money on UB. I never played on Full Tilt. I never did anything with Lock Poker, in fact I spent a lot of time trying to get players off of that horrid room.

Think you may have the wrong thread, and perhaps your minimal internet skills are at fault for that. You can search to find many threads on bots, collusion, softplay, and the scandals of the various rooms. This industry has its good history and its bad history, just like pretty much any industry. Perhaps capitalism scare you as much as the internet.


You can feel safe that no cheating ever takes place in live games...


All the best.

You people amaze me. It is pretty obvious that the RNGs are not rigged on most sites. People take bad beats and claim rigging. The point is that it does not matter if you lose money to a rigged site or to collusion or to another form of cheating. You still lose money through being cheated. In my opinion, it is not smart to play in games that are easy to cheat. You are free to disagree.
All the best
Sincerely
QQ

No, the point is this thread has nothing to do with the subject you are banging on about. And it's not like cheating is on every table you sit down on, or anything like that.

So I'm not sure how WE amaze you. You play on two sites by your own words. I'd say explain how you are different, but frankly don't care enough. If you want to discuss bots or collusion take it to a thread on the topic.

I have a healthy reward for any riggie that can prove the RnG is rigged at a significant site, and to date it is not surprisingly unclaimed, and the fact that actual math guys who look at databases have yet to find anything is pretty solid evidence as well on whether the RnGs are rigged or not.

That being said - paranoid people are gonna paranoid and for this thread that means that they see patterns that they cannot detect through statistical analysis, and often times they see patterns that are opposite of the patterns that other riggies believe in, so they will always have a fear of the game being rigged, whether that is based on common sense or not.

You share their paranoia, but it is just in a different form. You believe that cheating is rampant everywhere, and, like a riggie, yours is a simple, binary world. I am a bit surprised that you have not asked anyone to prove that cheating is not taking place all the time...

Of course some people will cheat at times, but many times that behavior is detected from other players or the sites. When I played the Omaha DoNs it was very easy to spot a team of 2 relatively new players that were trying to work together (funny thing was they generally did themselves little good). I, and other regs at the time reported them when we saw them and generally when I checked a few days later their accounts could not receive real money transfers (meaning they had been suspended).

Some people thought all the regs were colluding as well, but you try to collude with a couple other people while on 16 or more tables. Any advantage had with active collusion (ignoring the inherent risks) would make less than just opening more tables with a ROI of 15%+


In the end people can choose to play on rooms they are comfortable with, or if they fear collusion and bots and cheaters everywhere they can opt to play live poker where nobody uses signals or cheats .

Is there cheating? Of course. Is there cheating to the complete magnitude you believe in? Of course not. Will a binary person like you accept that? Of course not. Is this the right thread for these topics? Of course not, but you do not seem to be able to figure the internet out too well.

All the best.

What are the chances that this quality post will cause him to reassess his general outlook or even redirect him to the appropriate threads? <1%? Sigh...

Thinking about it more I hope it doesn't affect his outlook since he is still willing to play while being affected by his general paranoia and apparently we play on the same site. Although, I have a feeling we play different stakes.

Your first couple of posts in this thread were insisting that sites rig the deal to create action, and you even said this was well known and proven and that some sites even admitted to doing this. You said they didn't even use the RNG and just dealt what they want to. Amazing how your points have changed after your nonsense got challenged.

Well, at least you are admitting that you know there is cheating, but you are not sure of the magnitude. A few years back, some guy on a call-in radio show asked callers if they had witnessed any cheating at online poker. He was expecting people to call in and report that they had witnessed cheating. Instead, it turned out that over 50% of the callers admitted their own cheating.

Okay clearly you are just a liar and a troll. Done bothering with you fully. Likely just another account of one of the trolls of this thread. Now radio shows on top of websites all with zero backing.

Bounce from one subject to another and contradict yourself etc. Bored and over you.

I did not claim to have any direct knowledge of rigging. I clearly stated that I do not believe the sites are rigged, but I have no way to know for sure and neither does anyone on this site. The thing about certain sites dealing to create action was something I read when the internet poker scandals/ripoffs were occurring several years ago. I assumed it was accurate, but I am in no way liable for any inaccuracies on the internet.

Nope you never said it was rigged. Hell it was the first sentence of your first post too. Failed to show evidence of these sites admitting this of course. /troll

Just repeating what I read during the internet poker scandal/ripoff period several years ago.

This is what I originally said.