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03-04-2014 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Maya36
Umm why the smart answer? Is everyone dumb too u or something? I mean if your trying to say that i don't know how to play poker from what I asked i'm more than happy to 1v1 u. I just wanted feedback from other players who have experienced this in a 6max sit n go.
What other possible answer is there to your question?
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03-04-2014 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Maya36
Umm why the smart answer? Is everyone dumb too u or something? I mean if your trying to say that i don't know how to play poker from what I asked i'm more than happy to 1v1 u. I just wanted feedback from other players who have experienced this in a 6max sit n go.
How is it a "smart answer"? It's true.

Trying to compare to other people's losing streaks is kind of silly - fantastic players' longest losing streaks are likely to be shorter than most people's, and terrible players could have huge streaks.
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03-04-2014 , 06:51 PM
Im asking because im a 9max player and just want to know about 6max sit and go with only 2 paid. I'm just trying to know about losing 14 games in a row and only winning 1 out of 16, if someone could relate to me. But u guys can't even just give out some kind of answer, im not a bad player and from what i have been up against i know im better than what i was playing against. I don't need an exact math problem answered here.
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03-04-2014 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Maya36
Im asking because im a 9max player and just want to know about 6max sit and go with only 2 paid. I'm just trying to know about losing 14 games in a row and only winning 1 out of 16, if someone could relate to me. But u guys can't even just give out some kind of answer, im not a bad player and from what i have been up against i know im better than what i was playing against. I don't need an exact math problem answered here.
Please give an example of the type of reply that would be acceptable to you.

Either you aren't as good as you think; your opponents were better than you think; or you were extremely unlucky. I hope your luck changes soon, if it's the latter.
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03-04-2014 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
Please give an example of the type of reply that would be acceptable to you.

Either you aren't as good as you think; your opponents were better than you think; or you were extremely unlucky. I hope your luck changes soon, if it's the latter.
I would have to say extremely unlucky given during this run either all of my big hands were cracked, any 50/50 went to the other side and etc. Not sure how much better people are when the money goes in given it is a sit and go.
Just forget it guys i forgot how good everyone is in this thread, all these wanna be tough guys trying to talk down people.
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03-04-2014 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Maya36
Im asking because im a 9max player and just want to know about 6max sit and go with only 2 paid. I'm just trying to know about losing 14 games in a row and only winning 1 out of 16, if someone could relate to me. But u guys can't even just give out some kind of answer, im not a bad player and from what i have been up against i know im better than what i was playing against. I don't need an exact math problem answered here.
The shills never have an answer to this except 'variance'. It's almost impossible to lose 14 6max SNG's in a row if you're one of the top two players on the table. Even if you were just an 'average' player stood an equal chance of finishing in any position, the chance of losing 14 in a row would be:

2/3*2/3*2/3....i.e. multiply 2/3 by itself 14 times to get a probability of like, less than 1%. And that's assuming you're just 'average', if you're good it's even less than that already slender probability.

I was screwed over by Pokerstars in a $1 SNG just today. Had middle pair and a flush draw against TPTK and lost. I was favourite in that hand, one place from the money, and Stars decided I wasn't getting my fair share of the prize money.
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03-04-2014 , 07:14 PM
@BadBeatEveryDay:

The probability is .343%.

What I don't understand is why you think that things with a probability of 0.343% should never happen.

The chance of winning the Mega Millions jackpot is 0.0000005682% and people win that **** all the time.

If you win the lottery someday are you going to scream "OMG HAXXXX!" and complain that it was obviously rigged in your favor?

@Maya36:

Your question is essentially unanswerable. The fact that you have lost 14 straight does not in any way influence your odds in the next one.

If you are truly a good player, then you have been unlucky. Continue playing, and you are likely to have better results in the future.
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03-04-2014 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
@BadBeatEveryDay:

The probability is .343%.

What I don't understand is why you think that things with a probability of 0.343% should never happen.

@Maya36:

Your question is essentially unanswerable. The fact that you have lost 14 straight does not in any way influence your odds in the next one.
A probability of 0.34% is essentially impossible and in actual fact it's even less than that as the poster said he was on of the better players at the table.

0.34% probabilities don't happen 0.34% of the time when it comes to online poker. I'm always one of, if not the best player at a cash game table, yet I can't beat the 2nl fish. Only explanation is a rigging of the deal. But I guess this is just another example of a 0.34% chance of a losing streak happening to me as well, not rigging?
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03-04-2014 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
A probability of 0.34% is essentially impossible and in actual fact it's even less than that as the poster said he was on of the better players at the table.
I don't think the first part of that sentence is true. And a lot of bad players think they are always one of the best players on the table ... not that he necessarily isn't, but I didn't see anything to make me think he probably was.

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
I'm always one of, if not the best player at a cash game table, yet I can't beat the 2nl fish. Only explanation is a rigging of the deal. But I guess this is just another example of a 0.34% chance of a losing streak happening to me as well, not rigging?
I have yet to see you post a hand in which you did not make a fairly obvious mistake. Just saying.
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03-04-2014 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
A probability of 0.34% is essentially impossible
The chance of winning the Mega Millions jackpot is 0.0000005682% and people win that **** all the time.

If you win the lottery someday are you going to scream "OMG HAXXXX!" and complain that it was obviously rigged in your favor?
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03-04-2014 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
A probability of 0.34% is essentially impossible


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I'm always one of, if not the best player at a cash game table
'nuff said.
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03-04-2014 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
The shills never have an answer to this except 'variance'. It's almost impossible to lose 14 6max SNG's in a row if you're one of the top two players on the table. Even if you were just an 'average' player stood an equal chance of finishing in any position, the chance of losing 14 in a row would be:

2/3*2/3*2/3....i.e. multiply 2/3 by itself 14 times to get a probability of like, less than 1%. And that's assuming you're just 'average', if you're good it's even less than that already slender probability.

I was screwed over by Pokerstars in a $1 SNG just today. Had middle pair and a flush draw against TPTK and lost. I was favourite in that hand, one place from the money, and Stars decided I wasn't getting my fair share of the prize money.
Thanks finally someone who can answer a simple question. I don't feel the need to get into the whole process of how good i am but i have played enough sit n goes and poker to know when to shove and fold for these.
Also if u say this is less than 1% to happen i haven't played enough on that site to go through that, not like i played 1 million hands.
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03-04-2014 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
I'm always one of, if not the best player at a cash game table, yet I can't beat the 2nl fish. Only explanation is a rigging of the deal.
I thought of another explanation.

What do I win ?
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03-04-2014 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Maya36
Thanks finally someone who can answer a simple question. I don't feel the need to get into the whole process of how good i am but i have played enough sit n goes and poker to know when to shove and fold for these.
Also if u say this is less than 1% to happen i haven't played enough on that site to go through that, not like i played 1 million hands.
What if I told you that the <1% could happen on your very first string of fourteen sit n' go's?

Or you do think that every lottery winner has bought at least 176 million tickets?
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03-04-2014 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
I'm always one of, if not the best player at a cash game table
Riggies that post hands here tend to be terrible at poker.

Even just comparing you to them, your hands stand out as some of the worst played Ive seen in this thread.

Some are so badly played that it seems like they were posted in jest.

I have some very good advice for you that Im pretty sure you wont take.

Drop your overinflated ego, quit posting in this thread, and start posting in the beginners or micro forums with the intentions of listening and accepting constructive criticism.
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03-04-2014 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Maya36
Also if u say this is less than 1% to happen i haven't played enough on that site to go through that, not like i played 1 million hands.
This sentence is nonsense. A 1% event can happen the first time at bat just as easily as the 100th time. The probability represents the average frequency you can expect it to repeat over time.
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03-04-2014 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
The chance of winning the Mega Millions jackpot is 0.0000005682% and people win that **** all the time.

If you win the lottery someday are you going to scream "OMG HAXXXX!" and complain that it was obviously rigged in your favor?
Just because something is theoretically possible doesn't mean we should discount the obvious explanation first. It's theoretically possible that crazy guy who claims he was kidnapped by aliens is telling the truth, but it's much more likely he's just a crazy guy. When an extremely unlikely event happens like losing 14 SNG's in a row, or constantly losing at 2nl, the most obvious explanation is the sites are rigged.

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What if I told you that the <1% could happen on your very first string of fourteen sit n' go's?

Or you do think that every lottery winner has bought at least 176 million tickets?
The guy who buys 176 million tickets is far more likely to win the lottery than the guy who buys 1 ticket. I'd say with complete certainly the overwhelming majority of lottery winners have played it more than once, and there'll be a strong bias towards those who play it every week and buy multiple tickets.

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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Riggies that post hands here tend to be terrible at poker.
I already know I'm a solid player so quit trying to tell me I'm not. Explain whenever I load up my tables and bring up the subject of rigging, most of the regs agree the place is rigged? There's lots of people who are noticing the patterns in the flops and how that 2 outer river card seems to always hit. This is the same no matter what site you play on, if you just go to some 2nl tables and ask the regs there they will tell you the place is rigged, whether it's Pokerstars, Merge, 888, whatever.
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03-04-2014 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
It's theoretically possible that crazy guy who claims the poker sites have a giant conspiracy theory is telling the truth, but it's much more likely he's just a paranoid fish.

Agreed.


The guy who buys 176 million tickets is far more likely to win the lottery than the guy who buys 1 ticket.

No ****, sherlock.

I'd say with complete certainly the overwhelming majority of lottery winners have played it more than once, and there'll be a strong bias towards those who play it every week and buy multiple tickets.

Sure, but if this guy has only played 14 Sit n' Go's in his life, then I think we've probably found the explanation for why he's losing.



I already know I'm a solid player so quit trying to tell me I'm not.

How do you know?

Explain whenever I load up my tables and bring up the subject of rigging, most of the regs agree the place is rigged?

Well, I for one have said that sites are rigged many times in chat when playing. It's an easy way to tilt idiots.

There's lots of people who are noticing the patterns in the flops and how that 2 outer river card seems to always hit.

I've noticed it hitting between 4% and 5% of the time.

This is the same no matter what site you play on, if you just go to some 2nl tables and ask the regs there they will tell you the place is rigged, whether it's Pokerstars, Merge, 888, whatever.

Yeah, and that's why they're 2NL regs.
Moron.
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03-04-2014 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
Just because something is theoretically possible doesn't mean we should discount the obvious explanation first. It's theoretically possible that crazy guy who claims he was kidnapped by aliens is telling the truth, but it's much more likely he's just a crazy guy. When an extremely unlikely event happens like losing 14 SNG's in a row, or constantly losing at 2nl, the most obvious explanation is the sites are rigged.
Most obvious are actually that a dude is lying or is just a donk. You believe him because he says what you want to believe, and if he said he lost 100 SnGs in a row you would still believe him without proof. No real difference from one alien nutjob believing another.

Better luck at the penny games or with the trolling or both, since they both need a lot of work. I hope you are genuine, because if so then you deserve living your one shot at life as you.

All the best.
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03-04-2014 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
Just because something is theoretically possible doesn't mean we should discount the obvious explanation first. ...When an extremely unlikely event happens like losing 14 SNG's in a row, or constantly losing at 2nl, the most obvious explanation is the sites are rigged.
You have a very fundamental misunderstanding of what probability means.

It does not mean something is "theoretically possible". On the contrary, it means the event is virtually guaranteed to happen at that rate over time, on average.

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03-04-2014 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog

I have some very good advice for you that Im pretty sure you wont take.

Drop your overinflated ego, quit posting in this thread, and start posting in the beginners or micro forums with the intentions of listening and accepting constructive criticism.
This would be very good advice, except he's not really welcome over there.
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03-04-2014 , 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
Just because something is theoretically possible doesn't mean we should discount the obvious explanation first. It's theoretically possible that crazy guy who claims he was kidnapped by aliens is telling the truth, but it's much more likely he's just a crazy guy. When an extremely unlikely event happens like losing 14 SNG's in a row, or constantly losing at 2nl, the most obvious explanation is the sites are rigged.

Nah, a 14 game loss streak will happen, sooner or later. Something that has to happen is hardly evidence. I played sets of 12 sngs, and sometimes I didn't cash once, and I am a winning player. I also cashed like 9 times in a set, it happens, that is all. If 300 people play 14 sngs, one will not cash on average. Are you saying it is rigged because of that? No wonder you play NL2 for ages then.

The guy who buys 176 million tickets is far more likely to win the lottery than the guy who buys 1 ticket. I'd say with complete certainly the overwhelming majority of lottery winners have played it more than once, and there'll be a strong bias towards those who play it every week and buy multiple tickets.

Well, right. Still, it happens, and it is far less likely than a 14 games losing streak.

I already know I'm a solid player so quit trying to tell me I'm not. Explain whenever I load up my tables and bring up the subject of rigging, most of the regs agree the place is rigged? There's lots of people who are noticing the patterns in the flops and how that 2 outer river card seems to always hit. This is the same no matter what site you play on, if you just go to some 2nl tables and ask the regs there they will tell you the place is rigged, whether it's Pokerstars, Merge, 888, whatever.

You are solid, but 5bet push 99 against an unknown? Does not compute. Also, your call for like 2 pots with K9 on a AK9xA board is uhm.. not solid. What Hand exactly did you want to beat? Because there is none.

I've not seen a single well played hand from you.
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03-04-2014 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
What if I told you that the <1% could happen on your very first string of fourteen sit n' go's?

Or you do think that every lottery winner has bought at least 176 million tickets?
How on earth do u compare winning the lottery to a 6 man sit and go? I could care less if its rigged or not which from the sound of it the answers that i have been getting today pretty much show that u guys here have something more to try and prove.

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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
This sentence is nonsense. A 1% event can happen the first time at bat just as easily as the 100th time. The probability represents the average frequency you can expect it to repeat over time.
Only an idiot would say some dumb **** like that.

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03-04-2014 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Maya36
How on earth do u compare winning the lottery to a 6 man sit and go? I could care less if its rigged or not which from the sound of it the answers that i have been getting today pretty much show that u guys here have something more to try and prove.
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Only an idiot would say some dumb **** like that.

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03-04-2014 , 11:14 PM
Are u even old enough to play poker Tilted? Who feels the need to post a picture to make himself look so cool on a forum like this? Nice comeback...
Oh would u care too 1v1 since your also so good at poker too? Maybe u could teach me a few moves that i don't already know....
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