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02-07-2014 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by J9Suited
Backed out days ago from his posts. Thank you for highlighting exactly what I've been thinking.
I will admit i enjoyed the irony of the multiple shills calling for him to be banned at the end of their page long responses to his trolling. He seems to garner a lot of attention for his undocumented theories.
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02-07-2014 , 06:45 AM
Lolpotodds is banned until the weekend guys
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02-07-2014 , 09:05 AM
I was running like Lazarus last night, probably worse than I ever have in one session, losing flips 90% of the time and constantly running into tops of ranges and I thought for sure I was running waaaay below EV over the last 1k hypers.

Took a look at my data and, while there were big swings in either direction, my net line was pretty much even with my EV line.

Funny how the brain works. Not only does losing big feel way worse than winning big feels good, it sticks in your brain longer, too.

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Originally Posted by superfire444
Lolpotodds is banned until the weekend guys
Sort of like giving a whale a tic tac.
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02-07-2014 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Just checked my 2nl stats on FT, and ive had KK 124 times, and im only up 2 buy ins. ..
How many TOTAL hands did you play in to get the KK 124 times?
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02-07-2014 , 11:58 AM
I'll be the drunk donk playing 3.5 and 7 HUSNG's on stars tonight from about 10:00

Riggies Don't come whining in here when I pull some ridiculous bad beats on you

Have a good weekend y'all
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02-07-2014 , 01:29 PM
@lolpotodds: If you're reading this, try buying in for less next time you play. You arent ready for 100BB play yet. Try buying in for 30-40BB so your decisions will be easier. This will effectively remove river play so all of your decisons to call/go allin or whatever will be made primarily on the flop. This way you can comfortably call with your top pair and stuff when someone shoves on you. This will also magnify the mistakes fish will make trying to draw out against you. It's a bigger mistake for a fish to call your raise with 93s when all you have is 40BB instead of 400BB. You'll get to see a lot more showdowns without costing yourself so much money, and maximize the equity you get with hands that shouldnt play for 3 streets of value.

Quite simply, the game will be easier.

Just remember you lose some incentive to play drawing hands yourself, so you cant be setmining playing half-stacked. Once you regain your confidence and start to see what kind of hands win more frequently, and learn common tendencies amongst a variety of opponents you can start to buy in full again and see how that works.

It will probably also screw up the rig since you'll look more like a fish and be going allin more often and they cant have you lose every hand.
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02-08-2014 , 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by bodhisoma
I was running like Lazarus last night, probably worse than I ever have in one session, losing flips 90% of the time and constantly running into tops of ranges and I thought for sure I was running waaaay below EV over the last 1k hypers.

Took a look at my data and, while there were big swings in either direction, my net line was pretty much even with my EV line.

Funny how the brain works. Not only does losing big feel way worse than winning big feels good, it sticks in your brain longer, too.



Sort of like giving a whale a tic tac.

From the Bible, all I remember about Lazarus is that he died and then 4 days later was brought back to life by Jesus. I don't recall any particular run bad. Kinda seems like a run good actually. Any chance you mean Job?

Or is there something I don't know?
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02-08-2014 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
From the Bible, all I remember about Lazarus is that he died and then 4 days later was brought back to life by Jesus. I don't recall any particular run bad. Kinda seems like a run good actually. Any chance you mean Job?

Or is there something I don't know?
Maybe he means Lazarus the Beggar.
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02-08-2014 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by J9Suited
Maybe he means Lazarus the Beggar.
Ahh ... I searched this and once I started reading it I remembered it from somewhere:


19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”





Basically just about everyone in the story seems kinda cruel, except perhaps for Lazarus. And there is a great chasm in between to prevent help?



Bill Gates better start giving **** away real quick. If having the color purple available and being able to dress in linen while living in luxury as defined back then led to that, then I don't even know what will happen to to him. I guess many people in the Western World are doomed to the rich man in purple treatment. Unless they start giving away stuff I guess so as to be as poor as possible upon death. (If you give it away to your kids does it still count as getting rid of it?) I guess I'm stuck somewhere in here. I don't think I have any purple clothes though if that helps at all.

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02-08-2014 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
Bill Gates better start giving **** away real quick.

Gates Foundation? Not read up on it whether it's a guy doing food things with his money or a tax dodge.
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02-08-2014 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Just checked my 2nl stats on FT, and ive had KK 124 times, and im only up 2 buy ins. Thats just obscene. I lose pretty much every big pot with them. As soon as I see a flop and Im called, im pretty much dead. If there is a draw on the flop it of course turns, and of course villain has it.

Its not like you see the flush turn and think, Maybe he has it, of course someone has it because that's why its there in the first place. Its deliberate. I might just start opening shoving but then Ill just get called by aces. Sadly online KK is a fold hand pre.

At 5nl, like I said yesterday, the last 100 times im losing with them as well. Same on 888, I just get done by sets or run into aces 80% of the time. Losing so much with apparently second best starting hand in poker, what's the point?

Simply unbelievable. How many times do I need to play KK for it to actually win most of the time like the odds dictate? 1 million?
Yes because computers CANNOT randomise over short periods of time FACT. And by short I mean like 900,000 hands and will even deviate a million miles over 1,2,3 million hands. They can only follow patterns, look it up. Anything you read about a TRUE randomiser is pure bollocks.
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02-08-2014 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Top Pig
Yes because computers CANNOT randomise over short periods of time FACT. And by short I mean like 900,000 hands and will even deviate a million miles over 1,2,3 million hands. They can only follow patterns, look it up. Anything you read about a TRUE randomiser is pure bollocks.
This post is utter bollocks.

Please post a link to your FACTS on this topic; you know, the ones you looked up.
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02-08-2014 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Top Pig
Yes because computers CANNOT randomise over short periods of time FACT. And by short I mean like 900,000 hands and will even deviate a million miles over 1,2,3 million hands. They can only follow patterns, look it up. Anything you read about a TRUE randomiser is pure bollocks.
Even if your FACTs were right, that post wouldn't make sense.

1. "Computers CANNOT randomise over short periods of time", what does that even mean? A pseudo random number generator can generate 900,000 hands in 15 minutes, is that too short too be random?

Can you elaborate?

2. How can anyone play 900k consecutive hands? Observing a pattern would require to see all generated hands.
3. They will deviate a million miles from the pattern? That means there is no pattern, right?

There are hundreds of links to be found that properly used PseudoRNG's are as good as TrueRNG's for all practical purposes, look it up.


Also, your FACTs aren't even correct:

For Example, someone built a TRUE random number generator only using a lava lamp, a digital camera and a desktop. FACT.

Pokerstars and Full Tilt use other (more effective) TRUE random number generators. FACT.

Even pseudo random number generators are sophisticated enough to be random for all practical purposes, namely poker. TRUE FACT.

You talk TRUE bull**** without having any clue because you want attention. FACT.

You CANNOT talk out of you ass, sell it as FACT, and tell people to look it up while you never did, because you look like a TRUE ******* then.
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02-08-2014 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Top Pig
Yes because computers CANNOT randomise over short periods of time FACT. And by short I mean like 900,000 hands and will even deviate a million miles over 1,2,3 million hands. They can only follow patterns, look it up. Anything you read about a TRUE randomiser is pure bollocks.
You are almost certainly a troll, but

http://www.random.org/ (read the first paragraph on the page)

also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_number_generation


Cliffs: True random number generators do exist. Good pseudo-random numbers would also be perfectly good enough for poker.
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02-08-2014 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
You are almost certainly a troll, but

http://www.random.org/ (read the first paragraph on the page)

also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_number_generation


Cliffs: True random number generators do exist. Good pseudo-random numbers would also be perfectly good enough for poker.
+1000. In my past life I was a DOD school trained cryptographer. I devised a cryptography system on a frickin' 8 bit computer back in 1984 that when tested by the gov't they could not break it. It used a RNG as part of the key. Still unbroken to this day.

"Good pseudo-random numbers would also be perfectly good enough for poker" Absolutely true without a doubt.

Top Pig, post your "facts".
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02-08-2014 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
You are almost certainly a troll ...
I think that is almost certainly an understatement.
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02-08-2014 , 10:09 PM
Ok, maybe I'm going crazy but for the past few years on stars I've noticed a growing trend of supernova's running good and often. I'm not saying they win every hand and crush every big MTT, but I see them winning hands they should not be winning a little more often than the rest of the field.

I've got a crazy stat going where I've lost 5 AKs vs AKo, all to supernova's and all 5 times were deep in big MTTs.

My flip % against them is off the charts at just 27% win rate over 500 recorded pre-flop flips.

It's got to the point where I've had to alter my game around them to stand any chance to go deep now. I have to fold hands I would normally shove or call against any other player other than a nova because I know my odds are slightly different against them.

Anyone else notice a similar trend?
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02-08-2014 , 11:03 PM
I am a supernova, and I only wish that what you say would be true.
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02-08-2014 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by beakon
Ok, maybe I'm going crazy but for the past few years on stars I've noticed a growing trend of supernova's running good and often. I'm not saying they win every hand and crush every big MTT, but I see them winning hands they should not be winning a little more often than the rest of the field.

I've got a crazy stat going where I've lost 5 AKs vs AKo, all to supernova's and all 5 times were deep in big MTTs.

My flip % against them is off the charts at just 27% win rate over 500 recorded pre-flop flips.

It's got to the point where I've had to alter my game around them to stand any chance to go deep now. I have to fold hands I would normally shove or call against any other player other than a nova because I know my odds are slightly different against them.

Anyone else notice a similar trend?
27% is a pretty specific number, so I guess you're saying that you actually made a filter for preflop flips versus supernovas? I'd be interested in seeing that, because that would really be something over a sample of 500 hands.
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02-08-2014 , 11:43 PM
I can never seem to win on hUHT on stars or full tilt. I always make the right calls for all in and jam with the best hand but I constant seem to be losing every single flip I get, even when I dominated a hand eg today I had aj all in vs A9 and the 9 hits. It always seems to happen and yet when I have the worst hand i never seem to hit.
It makes me wonder if the site/software is rigged.

Also as soon as I cash out, I coincidentally lose the amount I cashed out immediately. Surely they have monitoring tools to ensure you don't make profits
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02-08-2014 , 11:48 PM
Yeah man and Neil Armstrong never walked on the moon.
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02-08-2014 , 11:49 PM
wtf neil armstrong never walked on the moon :O !??!?!?!?!
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02-09-2014 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by javi
@lolpotodds: If you're reading this, try buying in for less next time you play. You arent ready for 100BB play yet. Try buying in for 30-40BB so your decisions will be easier. This will effectively remove river play so all of your decisons to call/go allin or whatever will be made primarily on the flop. This way you can comfortably call with your top pair and stuff when someone shoves on you. This will also magnify the mistakes fish will make trying to draw out against you. It's a bigger mistake for a fish to call your raise with 93s when all you have is 40BB instead of 400BB. You'll get to see a lot more showdowns without costing yourself so much money, and maximize the equity you get with hands that shouldnt play for 3 streets of value.

Quite simply, the game will be easier.

Just remember you lose some incentive to play drawing hands yourself, so you cant be setmining playing half-stacked. Once you regain your confidence and start to see what kind of hands win more frequently, and learn common tendencies amongst a variety of opponents you can start to buy in full again and see how that works.

It will probably also screw up the rig since you'll look more like a fish and be going allin more often and they cant have you lose every hand.
Hell no! By buying in in full I get to maximise my postflop edge on the rest of the 4nl field. That's the only reason I win anything at all even with the rig in place.

Besides short stacked poker is boring. I started out in poker playing tournaments but I dont really like shove or fold poker so only play tourneys when I get freerolls now.

And having a short stack doesn't stop them rigging it up, as my freeroll tourney results show.
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02-09-2014 , 09:06 AM
What about the grassy knoll?

Juk
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02-09-2014 , 09:19 AM
No money heads-up. Everyone's solid.
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